Macabrepedia: A Marriage of True Crime and the Truly Bizarre

The Good, the Bad, and the Dead Either Way (Famous Executioners)

October 18, 2021 Matthew & Marissa Season 1 Episode 11
Macabrepedia: A Marriage of True Crime and the Truly Bizarre
The Good, the Bad, and the Dead Either Way (Famous Executioners)
Show Notes Transcript

Since there have been criminals and since we've been executing them... we've needed executioners. We're talking about two of the most famous ones in this episode... Lady Betty was known for being highly competent and Jack Ketch... not so much. 
Who was Lady Betty, and what did she do?
Who was Jack Ketch? What did he do and who did he execute? 
Let's find out.

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Marissa:

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Matthew:

Hang man hang man hold it a little while I think I see my friends are coming writing a many a mile friends did you get some silver? Did you get a little gold? What did you bring me my dear friends to keep me from the gallows pole seems hanging as a form of execution has been around since the advent of rope possibly even longer. The job of executioner has often left a notable and lasting emotional toll on the executioner as well as the convicts. Often hang men would execute multiple of the condemned at the start of their day. Some like George melden of Arkansas took their job with a high level of seriousness after a few failed attempts, testing and oiling the gallows before each day's work, he would make sure it was a quick and bloodless as it could be. He was called the prince of hangman. And also Grover Cleveland to time President of the United States and Sheriff of Erie County New York understood the severity of the punishment and would perform the job himself rather than hire an executioner. Of course, there were those who took the job as hey man because their work cut out for other lines of work often drunkards and outcasts. These Haman did the job because no one else was willing to do so because it also cost them their own piece and sometimes sanity. Our story today is of a person somewhere between desperate, professional and mad. The Hanged Man. The Hanged woman of Ireland, Lady Betty, join us as we add another entry into our macabrepedia

Marissa:

Hello and welcome to macabrepedia a marriage of true crime in a truly bizarre we're your hosts Marissa and Matthew. Amount. What are we talking about today?

Matthew:

I just told you it's the Hanged woman of Ireland lady Betty, the woman from Al Nice. So somewhere in the early to mid 1730s to 40s. In county Kerry Ireland was born Betty Sugrue su G are you he that he married and had children as women of the time were expected to do but when her husband died and their farm was taken, Betty was left with two young children and no means to feed them. Hoping for better opportunity. Betty and her two boys attempted to travel the 150 plus miles north to Roscommon it was no easy feat to walk such a distance with two young children. And sadly one of the boys did not make it. Dying along the road possibly of illness, likely starvation or maybe a combination of both. Eventually Betty and her son Podrick made it to Roscommon bear they live in a shack and became beggars and scavengers, it would seem that she relied heavily on her son in more ways than one. And they had an us versus the world mentality. She became a recluse and rarely left the shack, Patrick apparently worked at a nearby Inn and would provide whatever that he could for the two of them

Marissa:

and was helping him out.

Matthew:

Yep. And after years of poverty, and not to mention the violent temper of his mother Podrick decided to seek his fortune in America. I'm gonna keep saying his name interchangeably.

Marissa:

Patrick Podrick it's p

Matthew:

a DRIAC. Podrick Padraic.

Marissa:

I'm sure that's not it. But it sounds like pod react the way you spelled it.

Matthew:

The way I spelled I didn't name him. That's always that's the way it's been I AC it's i a c. Patrik

Marissa:

now I'm sure it's like, Patrick.

Matthew:

thing. It's Pet Patrick is probably like, whatever.

Marissa:

I don't know. We don't know.

Matthew:

I have no idea. If you're an Irish listener, and you'd like to tell us how it's actually said that over? Yeah, you can feel free to try to tell you about the pronunciation later. So, we're gonna go with we're gonna go with Patrick, as if, like,

Marissa:

just go with Patrick like Patrick buttpad

Matthew:

I suppose but say, so we're gonna go Patrick. Patrick decided to seek his fortune in America. She begged and pleaded with her beloved son not to go not to leave her. She reminded him how it was just them against the whole world, and that she couldn't bear to face it without him. She even physically attacked him beating on him with slabs and with her fists. After calming her down. He promised to support her with whatever money he could get. And in 1775, Patrick left Ireland on a ship bound for New York. Betty was destroyed and became even more of a hermit

Marissa:

I'm sure I mean, after relied on him forever. thing that sucks.

Matthew:

Well, it's just a string of just bad years, you know, I mean this she's also sort of only son, her husband's dead, her other sons dead, their farm is lost. Now she's just living in a shack now by herself. And she only left the house to get food from that local and where Patrick had worked, and to pick up letters that he would send her from his time in America. Whatever comfort Patrick's letter provided her were crushed when one of his letters told her that he had signed on with the Continental Army of New York and was planning on heading further west across America.

Marissa:

But why is she a subject of a macabrepedia? So it sounds like just like a sad lady who's just lonely. I mean, our son's probably gonna die cuz he's part of the Army, but

Matthew:

well, she has, I promise you there was gonna be hanging at some point.

Marissa:

Okay, let's get to it.

Matthew:

If Betty was broken before, she was now shattered. She lost hope in receiving his letters, or possibly ever seeing her son again. Remember, at this time, this was like frontier times in America. 1770s. Like it was this wasn't just like traveling across the country nowadays. So it was a very dangerous

Marissa:

road trip. Yeah, this is a life. Yeah, this is the

Matthew:

army moving west at this point. So story goes that during a particularly bad storm in November, a stranger came knocking on Betty's door, claiming that the end next door was full and the weather was too fierce for him to travel. He asked if he could stay in her shack. she reluctantly let him in after he promised to pay her more than the INS fee. He was a tall, heavily bearded man when blasted and travel weary. But from the cut of his clothes, he appeared to be wealthy, and he looked at her with an open and kind smile. Though he was young and strongly built, his eyes held no threat to her. She promised him no food, just a place to stay. He pulled money from his purse, and Betty saw that that purse was full. And he gave it to Betty to get them some food for the night. Betty was skeptical, but she hadn't seen that much money in a very long time. Certainly not under her roof. She went and bought food. They ate and she offered him her bed. While she took the chair near the fire. He took the offer and went into the bedroom. But he stared a moment at the fire and contemplated her situation. He had money right for the taking. She could steal it wouldn't be the first time. Probably not the last. She rocked slowly, her mind whirling with different outcomes if she took it. And he noticed she wouldn't be able to defend herself against a strong young man like he was to keep that from happening. Maybe she could just take a small amount enough that he might not notice. Well, that hardly made it. We're doing it all. No, he was a stranger to the town. He seemed to be pressed for a place to stay as and he didn't have any friends around. And it was a lot of money. She would have money enough to travel maybe to America to find Patrick. Everything always seemed to come back to Patrick for her. Seemed everything was a reminder of her lost son. And it was decided she grabbed the knife from the table. It went into the room. But before we find out what happens in the room, which I it's a murder, I know what happened. It's a murder. i The opening had a promise of hanging. Let's see what we can dig up from our sponsors, though. And this week's sponsor is let's see here. No, that's not it. No. Well, no, it it looks like we don't have a sponsor this week. And it may actually look like we aren't going to be putting a sponsor here. In the near future. We're kind of playing with some ideas as to what we can do with this space. We kind of like having like that mid episode kind of break that kind of like unicorn chaser kind of break from the darkness that our rest of our show normally this is mired in which I know you guys can you guys come here for that. But but but but you stay you stay for the hosts, right? I mean, like the subject matter only carries it so far, right? But now we're we're kind of playing with some ideas here. And we do want to do more with the show. And hopefully we can get a a tempting Patreon up and running that we can kind of generate some some finances to upgrade our equipment and continue to fund the the podcast that way rather than put a commercial an actual commercial in the middle of the episode there. Because we our episodes are generally pretty short and your time is valuable. So we would like to try to utilize as much of your time to purchase Right entertainment as possible. Speaking of which, I will stop talking well kinda and at least let you guys get back into this episode. So back to the episode and now back to Betty.

Marissa:

See? See this is why they tell you when you go as a tourist anywhere not to like flash your money. You do not flash your money. People going to try to take your money.

Matthew:

Yeah, if you if you definitely don't seem like anybody knows where you are. I mean, that's no that's how human trafficking happens to

Marissa:

everybody had your money like this is for real. This is No, don't get killed for 50 bucks, or 50 euros.

Matthew:

Well, this is a bit this is a bit more than that, I'm sure but it doesn't matter. Anyway, so baddies creeping in to the bedroom knife in hand, into the bedroom of her hobble Betty acted without hesitation taking the Stranger by surprise and delivering a number of lethal blows with her knife before he could react that he frantically searched for his wallet and threw his belongings where he where she found the money and to where to her horror, she found a small bundle of letters addressed to her from Patrick what she was blinded by her greed and loss. She didn't recognize that the stranger was her own son.

Marissa:

Oh, did he not introduce himself, in later

Matthew:

writings of William Wilde, the father of Oscar Wilde would postulate that Patrick was actively trying to deceive her in this because he had the intention of going to visit and see if she had changed as a person. May, you know, because she was very violent towards him. And she was she was, you know, loose cannon and unfortunately for Patrick, that she'd only gotten worse in the time that he was gone. But

Marissa:

this isn't a Lifetime movie. This is said, Well,

Matthew:

it's presumably that he went there. If she was just a crazy Loon, he would probably just give her the money. Yeah, and then dip out and just be like, I'm cutting my losses here, you know, just business as usual. And if she had maybe gotten back onto her feet or something, you know, whatever. But for a pad Podrick neighbors would find Betty wailing in the streets, her anguish, keeping them from gathering the facts of the situation. But upon entrance into her house, it all became clear the authorities were summoned and she was taken to Roscommon jail. She was put on trial and of course, found guilty. I don't know if she had confessed, confessed or not, but I assume she did. There were witnesses that saw the aftermath and whatnot. But who knows. She was pretty mad, as in like insane at this point, and she was sentenced to hang on the day of the execution in front of a riotous crowd. Betty and 25 others were led to the gallows. The crowd became so chaotic that the constable fired his pistol into the air and in an attempt to regain control, after regaining some level down,

Marissa:

settle down.

Matthew:

After her gaining some level of civility amongst the crowd, the prisoners were arranged for the hanging and then they received word that the hangman had fallen deathly ill and was unable to rise from bed.

Marissa:

Poor hanged man. Well, side note,

Matthew:

Some sources say that he was actually sick and later died for a man. Other sources say that the other men that were scheduled to die that day were part of like this political movement, and that the executioner was a sympathizer of that movement. So he was not going to pull the lever. Either way, he wasn't coming to work that day. He may have died, he may have been making a political statement.

Marissa:

Either way, sounds like they need to hang man while they're

Matthew:

trying to figure out what to do. Betty calls out to the sheriff that if they let her shield hang the entire a lot of them. Which Astonishingly, the sheriff let her do that he was freed from the shackles and wasted no time and hanging the other 25 men that day. Wow. Yep. And after she had made some swift work of them, she was led back to herself and offered a position as an unpaid hanged woman.

Marissa:

Well, there are certain circumstances where taking an unpaid job is just the right thing to do. Sounds like this might have been the best option.

Matthew:

Well, not only that, like even though she she she had to remain in the prison she wasn't able to leave they said was because of her own safety because like she was a known murderer and now of 25 people. But she was still technically a prisoner. She's still technically was supposed to be scheduled to hang. But I don't think she was really put off by all that. I mean, she she wasn't able to leave but we already she was already a reckless she was already a hermit she already killed the only person she loved. Yeah, she killed the last part of her of her of her former existence and was totally cool with just hanging out in her house by herself all the time and only just venturing out to pick up letters and food that apparently her son was paying for at the end for her to pick up. Yeah, I

Marissa:

mean, it sounds like she just had nothing to lose. So why not? Yeah.

Matthew:

And then all now she's just gets a basically her her own apartment in a prison and bring her food and they bring her the food. Yeah, so not only that, so she was not only like the living executioner, but she was also the dealer of most of the prisons, punishments, and reportedly she took great joy in flogging prisoners. And, and not only that, like, she was able to also convince the sheriff. Like again, she's a bit of a hermit, she's a bit of a recluse. But she she was able to convince the sheriff to install the gallows outside of her cell window.

Marissa:

Well, I guess that makes a short commute.

Matthew:

Yeah. So the the people, the condemned would have to come through her cell crawl through her window onto like her balcony, which was fashioned into gallows. So she never even really had to leave her room. Like she could do everything she wanted to from there for the most part, but that was also to work from home. Yeah, that was worked from home like for real right there. But she, it also kept it for like when when those crowds during hangings, you have multiple sides at any hanging, right? Yeah, you have family members and all that stuff and it can get out of hand. I don't think that the constable firing his gun into the air was like some like, crazy thing that never happens. I'm sure that that crowds get get unruly, right, throw in stuff and do it all that so what they did was they fashion these gallows outside of our window. And it was high enough and far enough away that they couldn't get to the gallows, even if they wanted to the spectators that is but it still made it so that they could still spectate. Because you know, who doesn't want to watch a good hanging in the 1770s. Everybody wanted to everybody that was the place to be getting subpoena, the thing she was, this is where she got the name of Lady Betty, the woman from hell. And she held that title for years. She continued her services until 1802, where her death sentence was lifted in recognition of her services. And she was effectively allowed to retire

Marissa:

really, I was wondering, I was wondering if she was you know, gonna get to retire or if they were gonna hang her anyway.

Matthew:

No, she they let her live in the prison. And she had like a small garden within the prison, her prison block that she attended. And unfortunately, she died five years later and was buried in an unmarked grave.

Marissa:

Is it? Is it unfortunate

Matthew:

she had a kind of a sad life. So she did but she

Marissa:

she earned that moniker of what buddy from hell, she

Matthew:

a you've you got you a you find your niche. Right? You find your perfect job. I'm not saying I would or would not do really well as a hang person. I'm just Just saying. Some people have a calling. And that was Betty. That was

Marissa:

definitely Betty. Yeah,

Matthew:

I mean, she get her job. Yeah. And that's that's a that's like I said, you find your calling. But that is the story of Lady Betty. The woman from hell. And also, side note, like some of that. Some of the stories like from like a book of folklore, but like the prison Ross kinda like you want to shorten it. It's a Roscommon prison actually like, notes like not even Roscommon prison, like Roscommon, like noted for her. Her being there. She was the only woman Hang Hang woman in Ireland last year. Yeah. That's kind of cool. Yeah, and she was good at it.

Marissa:

Not everybody gets the reputation of being good at their jobs though. Not even executioners. A guy named Jack catch is actually known as being pretty bad at his job actually. Jack catches name was synonymous with Satan, the devil and death itself also was hers. Yeah, but not like this guy. In fact, he was so famous for being bad at his job that executioner's became known around Britain as Jack ketch as a nickname for 200 years after he died in 1686.

Matthew:

But how do you how are you a bad executioner? Like as long as the person ends up dead? I mean, I guess that's the job well done. Right? Yeah,

Marissa:

you would think that but no, they apparently are quite a lot of shades of grey in that. So what did he do to get this reputation?

Matthew:

And an actual question, I guess. I only know like one thing,

Marissa:

because I told you like, Kobe is correct. You know, you know, so Jack ketch was a professional executioner. He carried out hangings drawings quarters. quarterings and beheadings. The man became famous for two executions in particular though that he carried out the first execution that earned him this reputation of being really bad at his job was Lord Russell. He was sitting to die for plotting to kill King Charles the second. That's an easy way to get tends to die. Of course kings don't really like traitors

Matthew:

to live. No, no, not normally. No.

Marissa:

So while many executioner's used swords at the time, Jack actually preferred to use an axe.

Matthew:

Well, yeah, it makes sense, right? I mean, fell a tree cut off ahead, whatever.

Marissa:

Same thing? Sure, yeah. Instead of a

Matthew:

smaller, smaller blade length or like, edge length,

Marissa:

like a sword is much longer. Yeah, more room for error. So catch, carry out his duties for executing executing Lord Russell who bribed jack for a quick death. He gave him somewhere between 10 and 30 guineas to ensure that that it would be a pretty swift death. It's actually a good bit of money for the time. So he gave us to catch you know, please just make a quick so I don't have to suffer. Lord Russell got into position over the block. And Jack ketch raised his axe. For the first blow did not kill Lord rustle. In fact, it missed his neck and buried itself in his shoulder. Well,

Matthew:

yeah, I mean, of course. I mean, you don't. You don't go to a person's place of employment and then just assume that they're gonna do a garbage job and be like, I'm gonna pay you to do your job the way you're supposed to. I mean,

Marissa:

yeah, it was really common. It happened a lot. I know

Matthew:

what I'm saying those I mean, like, That's insulting, like, you don't like you go there. And just like, man, here, do your job, right. I mean, I understand like, given the tip, and I mean, not like you can have somebody give the tip afterwards.

Marissa:

Yeah, it was a tip. It was like, hey, hey, man, please like me out here. It's

Matthew:

so insulting, man.

Marissa:

I think that's insulting. Just wait. If you think that's insulting, just wait. So the Brio did not work, of course, because it happened. The second chop didn't kill him either. But it did hit the neck at least. It only went partly through it. It took three and maybe four chops before the head was actually separated from the body. Good thing

Matthew:

this guy's not a lumberjack only thing safe in the woods would be the trees. Ninja Turtles and we reference for the episode

Marissa:

catch released a site a statement afterward that said that it was basically Lord Russell's fault for not being in the right spot when he swore.

Matthew:

Okay, what's what's Russell gonna say about it?

Marissa:

Yeah, I mean, just gonna really shitty. But so this this actually earned jack this massive reputation as being just this horrific executioner. Nobody wanted to get killed by him. Like this guy, like buried the axe in this guy's neck or in his shoulder blades didn't kill him. That's horrific. Right. So he's still an executioner, though he's done this for a long time at this point. Two years later, Jack gets tasked with executing another trader James Scott, the first oral of Monmouth, who was also convicted of leading a rebellion against King James the Second. Mama's very aware of what happened to Lord Russell. Bribes catch six guineas, which you might notice is way less than the first guy who who bribed him 10 to 30. Right? But he does promise more will be paid by his servant after he dies if the execution is carried out well, so this guy is maybe a little insulting more than the other guy know, half half a little later. Right? So he was very nervous. He really doubted catches ability, He rubbed his thumb against the edge of the axe to test it. He commented that it seemed awfully dull. This might have unnerved catch a bit and you might have been like hey, man, I know what I'm doing.

Matthew:

Well also I mean you really can just I mean if you have if you have a heavy enough chunk of wood you can you can you can kill somebody who's who's this lane.

Marissa:

Yeah, but it's not as pleasant, you know, goes through quicker and cleaner if it's sharp. Sure. So he asked him to do it. Well, he he reminded catch that he'd messed up. He Ryan reminded him that he had messed up Russell's execution, which come on, man. Whatever, but he asked catch not to repeat that on him. So this might have like I said, this one may have been a little insulting because he's like, Hey, you fucked up that guy. Please don't do that to me.

Matthew:

Well, I mean, that's probably why catch was like, Well, yeah, that's why I kept the axe doll. So if I mess it doesn't hurt as bad. If I miss I hit you in the back. It's just like, whoops, I'm gonna try again.

Marissa:

Yeah, no, just blunt trauma. So mommoth kneeled at the executioner's block, hoping for a quick death. The first blow catch struck when it went against the side of my neck. After the first blow, it said mom was actually stood up and glared at cash and anger. Like, what the fuck man?

Matthew:

He I specifically asked not to do I specifically asked

Marissa:

you not to do this to me. You're not getting your second tip that no, it's off. It's gone. So the second hit actually made a slightly bigger cut on his neck but did not kill him.

Matthew:

Was he standing up at that time?

Marissa:

She's back down. He didn't like stood all the way up. He just kind of like stood up a bit and looked up at him like what the fuck? So the second one, it made a bigger cut on his neck but did not kill him. The third blow missed entirely. This guy What the heck. So after the third blow Jack ketch allegedly threw down his axe and cried, saying that he could not continue. So the crowd was very angry. They threatened that they would kill catch if you didn't finish it, like just just get this guy out of his misery. Like, come on, man. He's bleeding. He put this massive gash in his neck. Just kill him or we're gonna we're gonna kill you, right? It took five to nine blows to kill him.

Matthew:

five to nine.

Marissa:

I know that's a big, big money. It's a lot. Either way. It's a lot. Monmouth's head was still attached after this. He was dead, but it was still attached by a little bit of like sinew. So Jack ketch took out a butcher's knife from his waistband. And he salted it until he detached the head from the body. Nice. Yeah, yeah, he used a butcher's knife. So people were just furious. The executioner had to be led away by a military escort escort because the crowd was going to kill him.

Matthew:

Well, yeah. Cuz I mean, apparently killing people is a little harder to do than they might they might think,

Marissa:

apparently. Well, part of it was that Monmouth was seen by some of these people as a hero. Sure, because he was rebelling against the king. But in those situations, there's always people who support the people rebelling. That's

Matthew:

the lady Betty. Part Two where the the execution didn't show up because he was a sympathizer to the person who was supposed to kill.

Marissa:

Yeah, exactly. I mean, there is some a little bit of debate about this. There's some debate about whether he was actually this bad at his job because this is very bad.

Matthew:

The debate was gonna be whether or not he cried or didn't cry, dusted.

Marissa:

We're just gonna, we're just gonna say that's canon and be done. And then he was, he was paid more. Possibly. This is what this is what the debate is, right? Like, he might have been paid more by somebody else. Oh, yeah. Absolute rather than the condemn. Right, exactly. So maybe they paid him to make it as bad as possible. Yeah. Because like I said, executioner's they very much accepted bribes. This is how they almost like how they made money at this point. They also got like, they got like the news, they got all these pieces that they could sell off afterwards. Because as we know, people like bits and baubles from deaths and stuff. So they this is not uncommon for them to be bribed at all, because the executioner really could decide how bad a death could be. And catch had been doing this job for over 20 years. How could he have failed so spectacularly? Unless it was intentional alcoholism? Well, you know, that's an option.

Matthew:

Yeah, I mean, it's probably not the easiest thing to just deal with it day in and day out whacking people in the head with stuff plus, yeah, if he also like did the drawing and quartering and stuff that stuff went wrong. Yeah, all of the time. It is not easy to have a team of horses tear somebody apart like that. Sometimes you have to get in there with that butcher knife and hack off a limb or to to to get it to get it to pop.

Marissa:

Yeah, but at least in those moments they are they want you to make as bad as possible. Like oh, yeah, that's the point. These are generally nobility who gets spared those most of the time they get spelled spared those really, really bad executions. Yeah,

Matthew:

so that's why you have to tell him hey, they wouldn't let us draw a quarter on this is supposed to be a noble? Yeah. Why don't you whack him in the ear a few times before you before you do that, you know, turn the handle around.

Marissa:

I mean, they also you have to keep in mind, they were both rebelling against the king and the king. I'd read he he earlier in his life, he'd been sympathetic to people he had like, pardoned them for reasons but then he ended up getting backstabbed for that. So he was no longer cape, like willing to do that people like wanted to like buy off Monmouth like or to buy to like bribe the king not bribe him but you know, just like to give him a gift of gold in order to give more month his freedom or at least not to kill him. A lot of people were trying to get Monmouth off and it just wouldn't happen the king would not be swayed. So to believe that he might have done this to make it miserable for him to die. I mean, it's not it's not you know, out of the realm of possibility here.

Matthew:

Now you get nine get catch, you get catch.

Marissa:

So regardless, his name has been used to describe evil, morbid, McCobb all that kind of shit. Jack catches kitchen was a name for a room at new gate prison. And in this room, they boiled the severed limbs of people who were executed for high treason for being by being quartered, nice. Yeah. A slummy area around there. It was called Jack catches Warren. The noose was called Jack catches necklace, among many other things. You know, there were a lot of things that were nicknamed after Jack which is good to have a legacy. It's good to have a legacy. It's not a great one though. I mean, you die either way but that's

Matthew:

why the bet doesn't lady Betty doesn't have a whole bunch of stuff named after her that I'm aware of.

Marissa:

Yeah, you might want to go with her if Yeah, choice,

Matthew:

though. Yeah, well, yeah.

Marissa:

So there we have two executioner's famous throughout history one pretty good at her job.

Matthew:

Yeah, and the other one though, famous for I mean, he kind of set the bar whether it was the low bar or the high bar, but I mean, he definitely definitely said it.

Marissa:

I mean, that's he made an impression.

Matthew:

That's, that's famous. That's good. But that'll do it for this week's entry. Thank you for listening. As always, please reach out to us on social media. Leave us a comment on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts. And of course we are on Twitter, and Facebook at macabrepedia.

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