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Isabella's Revenge (The Execution of Hugh Despenser the Younger)
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Princess Isabella of France married into English royalty when she wed the prince who would become Edward II. She had dreams of wealth, family, love, and power. But when she moved to her new home, her husband favorited someone else. And then... someone else again. So, she lost her love, her family, and her power... all due to her husband's connections with Piers Gaveston and Hugh Despenser. Marissa and Matthew talk about the two favorites of her husband and how they met their demise.
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Marissa:November 16 1326. As a thief, therefore you shall be hanged. As a trader, you shall be drawn and quartered in your quarters dispersed throughout the kingdom. And as you were outlawed by our lord the king and by general consent, and have come back to the court, you shall be beheaded. Because at all times you have been disloyal, and to form inter of strife between our lord the king, and our most noble lady the queen, you shall be disemboweled. And after that your bowels shall be burned. confess yourself a traitor and a renegade. And so go to meet your doom, traitor, evil doer and convicted names the worst Britain of the 14th century, Hugh dispenser was sentenced to be executed Thus, in 1326, join us as we add another entry into this our macabrepedia.
Matthew:Hello and welcome to macabrepedia a marriage of true crime in the truly bizarre we are your hosts, Matthew and Marissa. And today we will be exploring what
Marissa:we'll be talking about this group of people, including King Edward de second, his wife, Queen Isabella, and two of Edwards quote, favorites, piers and Hugh. But by quote favorites, I mean, historians mostly agree that they were likely his lovers. And they did come between the king and queen so it caused a lot
Matthew:of strife. You don't do that you don't come between the king and queen. No. And this is in 13 something
Marissa:1326 Is when he was hanged. So yeah, we're talking early 1300s
Matthew:brutal, brutal time to die. Oh, yeah. Episode coming soon.
Marissa:Que dispenser had loved the king, or at least he had been loved by the king. And with that love had come an incredible amount of influence, power and greed. But to get to there, we have to know the players. Isabella of France was born in Paris in the year 1295, to King Philip the fourth of France, and his queen Joan, the first of Navarre. Like many royal princesses, she was engaged to a foreign prince at a very young age as a way to smooth over diplomatic issues. And she ended up actually marrying Edward in 1308, which made her just 12 years old when she was married. Which actually was way more common than you might think at the time.
Matthew:All right, for sure, absolutely. I mean, it does fall into the philosophy of raising the wife you want.
Marissa:Oh, yeah, but this didn't really happen in this case. But Isabella's mother was 11 when she was married, so common,
Matthew:and generally to an older person, but again, it's a lot of it is for diplomatic purposes. And the reason that you would do that is because when an air is born, it basically ties the the lines together so that you have more sway over the region because of the blood. Yeah, that person so
Marissa:more or less how they ended the War of the Roses, they married the houses together.
Matthew:Right? But the idea is that the the children of that marriage is going to you get to try to sway the loyalty of them based upon who do you love more mommy, your daddy.
Marissa:Right? Well, you're supposed to be able to get the loyalty both sides with this child who's born on both sides. And sometimes they would be you know, these these diplomatic marriages, they would be married from afar when they were infants even or at least engaged from afar, depending on what the current political alliance was.
Matthew:Oh, yeah. You'd be lucky if you got a portrait painted of the person that so that you can be like, okay, they're not that
Marissa:bad. Yeah, that's actually how King Henry the Eighth actually ended up marrying his fourth wife. And of Cleves. He saw her picture and thought she was pretty hot. But when she actually arrived, he was like, I don't I don't like
Matthew:this woman. Yeah, well, it's not it's not a photograph. No, it wasn't but he still
Marissa:they still got married. But it was it was bad. It was like his second divorce divorced wife, but she got lucky in that case. But yeah, it was just because they were not very attracted to each other, or at least Henry was not attracted to her.
Matthew:Yeah, because an artist's rendition of how I mean, look, if you're an artist at this in that time period, I mean, we're stretching 200 years across the these comments here but you know, if you're if your job is to paint a portrait of somebody, you're not doing like the caricature at the beach, you know, like you're not you're not
Marissa:making a capture all the moles Yeah, you're giving them
Matthew:the best the best look they can. Sometimes they don't even have the actual face of the person. They're actually doing it off of somebody else's work. Yeah, that they would paint, paint a picture based off of a picture. And then obviously, you know, you put your own little little little pizzazz on there. But anyway,
Marissa:yeah, I mean, it's just easier to transport a painting across hundreds of miles than to take the person there to see what she looked like.
Matthew:I sure got to feed a portrait. But still, again, that means that you never know what you're gonna get. A painter got you in a good light.
Marissa:So Isabella married Edward. Edward was the son of Edward the first, who was known as Longshanks. Isabella was no mere pawn here, she was known for her beauty and her charisma, she was able to convince others to go along with her. And she was noted for her intelligence, which is pretty rare for women at the time. So
Matthew:yeah, and this this story kind of as is also the backdrop to the story of from Braveheart. Yeah, so like Edward de Longshanks and all this is going to seem strikingly familiar to to listeners who are familiar with the movie Braveheart, which, if you I'm sure you are, because you know, that one, a lot of Academy Awards, and I watched it like five times a week. I've seen it once. You're doing yourself a disservice. prefer it in a different timeframe. You can also just watch the Patriot which is the exact same storyline. I
Marissa:like that one. Yeah, I mean, Braveheart. It takes a lot of liberties. Isabella is in that movie, but she never actually met William Wallace. So that takes a lot of liberties. But this is the timeframe that we're talking about. So she had some issues early in her reign with her husband, because he just doted on his friend piers gaveston. Prince Edward, gifted him many things even intended to grant him the county of Paul to to him, but when Longshanks heard about this, he threw his son to the ground and kicked and beat the crap out of him. And he told him, You baseball and horse son, would you give away lands you who never gained any as the Lord lives were not for fear of breaking up the kingdom, you shall never enjoy your inheritance. So he's pretty mad.
Matthew:I wonder if somebody actually heard him say that and then just jotted that down, or he was like, this is this is what I said, Write this down.
Marissa:He demanded that the young king promised never to see peers again and he exiled him. But then daddy King Edward the first died. So Prince Edward became Edward the second, the king. And the first thing he did was he brought Pierce back from banishment and granted him power, including even naming him keeper of the realm. When the King left France to go to France to get Isabella, keeper of the Rome was pretty much King while the Kings gone, he had a great deal of power. And it was to the point where he got off the ship after he had wedded Isabella, and brought her home. And he immediately went to pierce where it was said that he gave piers, all of the wedding gifts that she'd brought along. And he also gave him hugs and kisses and greeting. And this was humiliating to the young Isabella. It was clear to many that King Edward, the second may have a new queen, but in many ways he considered Pierce to be his actual partner. nobles were pretty unhappy about this guy being such a favorite to the king. And in fact, some enraged barons got together and they demanded that piers be exiled. Again, he was, but he came back again. The piers
Matthew:came back the very next day, the piers came back, they thought he was a goner, but the piers came back, he just couldn't stay.
Marissa:Bad Penny, they couldn't keep away. The bears were not happy about this. So that when he came back, and they saw him with the king again, they drove them both out with the threat of rebellion. Edward went with Pierce, they tried to go to Robert the Bruce, who was at the time the king of the Scots, they tried to get safe haven for Pierce. Bruce was not having it. He figured, if you can't keep your own people happy, how am I supposed to trust you? The barons caught up with them and they took piers into their custody. They were planning supposedly to allow him to present his case. But the Earl of Warwick forced Pierce to walk through an angry mob of peasants before he was thrown into war at Castle to wait for the arrival of the Barons leader who's really really not a fan of this guy. So I know the Earl of work in various incarnations, kind of a huge player in history. He was also the not this oral oral but another Earl was the kingmaker. Just it's crazy. It's all over the place. Works very important area and throughout his English history on June 18 1312. In the wee hours of the morning, right about 3am piers gaveston was taken out onto the estate Were to executioner's random through with the sword and then beheaded him. Yeah, we knew it was coming to say the king was devastated as an absolute understatement. He even paid for mass to be said twice a year all over England, both on piers gaveston, his birthday and his death day, until the day that King died. He was he truly loved this man appears got off like compared to the kings next favorite. Mm hmm. Ominous
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Marissa:Alright, well let's get back to Edward the second and his favorites. After Pierce died, Isabella and Edward actually had a really good relationship for a while and she conceived an air and several other children. Overall she had four loving children from Edward. And there was even at least one miscarriage in that time, so she got pregnant fairly often, and she was treated as the queen that she deserved as she grew into her own. She was even trusted to govern England while he was away at the Scottish border. But then, in 1318, the king developed a new favorite. That man was named Hugh despenser. He dispenser was named the worst of Britain of the 14th century by BBC history magazine. What do you have to do to be named one of the top 10 Worst Britons of all time by BBC history magazine? Well, I'm glad you asked to start with Hugh and his father, who was also named to dispenser gained a lot of control by having so much influence over Edward they convinced him to decrease Isabella's power and to shift most of that over to them. Edward made who dispenser the younger his royal Chamberlain, which was the title that gave him complete control over who gained access to the king. And the next two years they extorted a ton of money in estates as well as seized other estates for no good reason. They basically use all of their influence to just be awful. If someone resisted, they made them pay and utter didn't just stop him but he also joined in with terrorizing his own kingdom. They bullied they stole, they kidnapped, they tortured, they basically brutalized the people of England and they took away their lands and their possessions. Isabella saw this and she begged him to banish dispenser. But he wouldn't. The barons did succeed in banishing them eventually, but lo and behold, they came back to court the next year
Matthew:vanishing doesn't really seem like that effective like it is. It is the slap on the wrist and then it's like Go Go live somewhere else. Yeah. And generally they when you're banished and as a noble or a person have in the court like you still live a pretty good life wherever else you go. You just might not have a lot of the actual power but you still have a bit of the money and
Marissa:generally have a lot of money. I mean, they may not have access to the king and the power that they crave but they're not in. poppers. Yeah, I
Matthew:just I don't you always you always hear these stories of like people who like want to come back from exile and yada yada and I'm like, I mean, I don't know, man, like you put me out on an island and just let me be rich out there. Cool. I'll sit in Jersey.
Marissa:Well, it comes down to their motivations and their desires, I suppose.
Matthew:Not a very motivated person. buyer for much
Marissa:else pretty much their lives. So they did come back to court the next year. Edward did not really have a great track record, as we've seen with keeping people that were banished, actually banished. This really angered Isabella, when he dispensed with the younger convinced Edward to flee instead of saving his wife, who almost fell into the hands of Robert the Bruce, who at this point was trying to kidnap her. And he was also considered Edwards greatest enemy at this point. They almost succeeded in fact, two of her ladies and waiting died during this attempt to kidnap her and Edward had left with you rather than try to help. So she's pissed as well. She should be absolutely and when Edward replaced her servants with his own spies, and then took her children away from her and placed them with Hugh dispenser, the youngers wife. She took that anger and really ran with it. I mean, that's, that's shitty. That's shitty. Yeah, there's,
Matthew:I mean, I'm sure there's some part of a reason behind it. Well, I mean, obviously, the dispensers are just trying to get more leverage, right. So now you have the leverage over the Queen because you have control of her kids. And that's what I think might be some threats against her like mind your business? Power. Yeah. Slap Slap your kids, you
Marissa:know? Yeah, he's he's trying to take over her position, basically. And so how to do that control her with her kids.
Matthew:Yeah, try to dispense.
Marissa:Oh,
Matthew:I don't know if that's where that word comes from.
Marissa:And spell difference. And so Isabella began to plot rebellion against her husband. I mean, yeah. Come on. Bold, though.
Matthew:I mean, she's not the saddest for that.
Marissa:Yeah, well, she's not upset. She's not the only ones upset as I said, the Barons are very upset everyone in the kingdom except for the dispensers. They're mad. So she's not alone. She left England to go back to her native France, she actually went because she was going to negotiate a peace treaty with her brother, who at the time was King Charles, because, you know, she's a French princess. So he had taken some of Edwards lands in France. So she was trying to get them back, or at least to make peace, and this gave her the perfect opportunity to get away. She met up with one of Edwards former generals. His name was Sir Roger Mortimer, Mortimer had been imprisoned for supporting a rebellion against the dispensers and had actually escaped the Tower of London. So the two met and they did end up becoming lovers. And then they began to plan their next move. It's finding one of the sources I read was like, I'm sure Isabella was, was excited to have a guy around who knew his way around the female body.
Matthew:That's kind of a, that's presumptuous.
Marissa:I know. I mean, they had like four kids together. So come on, the two became lovers and they planned their next move. He meanwhile, Isabella had convinced Edward to send her eldest son and Edwards Air to her in France.
Matthew:That's that leverage being flipped? Yeah.
Marissa:It's a good move. Good move.
Matthew:Now, all you have to do is have that King died. Oh, there you go.
Marissa:Yes, he's there. So Edward heard rumors that she had joined a rebellion then. Lots of things happened here. But in the interest of expediency, they got an army of mercenaries together, they landed in Suffolk to fight Edward.
Matthew:Good. Did she have her son at this point?
Marissa:Yes. And that was a very important part here. Edwards own supporters. As I've mentioned, they were very unhappy with him and his favoritism for huge dispenser and shoe dispenser, but especially the younger one, and nobody really wanted to fight the air, the future King of England, which Isabella had with her so they were just not very supportive. Edward the second one by one, they withdrew their support, and some even went to Isabella side fight. So she had her army she had her son, and nobody wanted to fight them. He dispenser the younger and his dad, the elder took what wealth they could and fled, but Isabella and her mercenaries caught up with them for Hugh the elder they executed him right there. He was beheaded cut into pieces and these pieces were fed dogs with his Ahead being sent on a spear to be displayed in Winchester, and Winchester had ended up supporting Edward. So this was to make a
Matthew:point. Yep. A point get it on a spear.
Marissa:We are here talking about this because of who dispenser the younger and McCobb story associated with him. We'll see about its execution, Isabella's army judge to dispense with a younger as a thief, a trader sodomite and a heretic. And so he received the death sentence for all of these, the idea was that someone convicted of high treason should die multiple deaths.
Matthew:Yes, that was actually something that comes into play as the later not in a story, but in crime and punishment, and how there were ways that there were certain times where people would be convicted of crimes, and they would have multiple death sentences on them, so that they would be dead and still have the other punishments put upon them. Which kind of changed the idea behind like, what is the purpose of punishment at that point? You know what I mean? Like, Dad, why
Marissa:are you Why do you keep doing right? So
Matthew:in that kind of, that's when things kind of changed more for punishments of the physical, being converted to more of punishments of taking away somebody's freedom, that's where you start getting more imprisonments and stuff like that, and like actual public jails, rather than just be like, you know, put on display. So people can like torment you and stuff like,
Marissa:it's a process. So, as I said, this was a type of punishment that was just reserved for the worst of the worst. So for instance, some of these punishments, if you betrayed the king, he could be drawn at the horse's tail is like drugged through the streets. Yes, literally drug behind a horse. If you are accused of herbs, convicted of murder, that's what you would be hanged for. If you committed sacrilege, then you would be dissembled, and your intervals would be burned. Or if you plotted in the king's death, your body would be quartered, and your limbs dispatched to where you had been plotting to those areas that were supporting you. And this was supposed to act as a warning to others.
Matthew:Right. Again, like that's like, when punishments were, were for the the people who witnessed the punishments more so than the person who actually yes,
Marissa:in that case, absolutely. They would send part of your body somewhere so people could see what could happen to them if they continued supporting,
Matthew:right. And then there was other things too, like I said, that were you you would be punished for crimes in incorrect order, so that you were already dead before lesser punishments were put upon you. So like, there was a there was a you could have, you could be hanged till death for murder, but also then have your tongue cut out for blasphemy. Yeah, and what's the purpose of that? There's no reason for that. It just becomes pageantry. Yeah, so what happened to the dispenser,
Marissa:he was covered in crude tattoos to begin with, of his many crimes, as well as some scripture verses, then he was dragged by two teams of horses to the place where he was to be executed. This was actually kind of unique, because normally you would be dragged by two horses, but he was dragged by two teams, so he was dragged by four horses.
Matthew:Yeah, that's, that's, I'm curious to know, the reasoning. Like, it's not necessarily I don't know. So I mean, I mean, I wonder how they bound the two horses together. So if they were like pulling in different directions kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. There's not like in a quartering kind of a way. That's that's here nor there, I guess. But
Marissa:then they then he was taken and strapped to a different different accounts here. But he was strapped to a ladder. And then a noose was put around his neck. And he was lifted up to be hanged.
Matthew:And this is on like a 50 foot ladder. Like he can say it was 50 foot 50 feet high. Yeah, he could he could see this from from a while away. Yeah. I mean, Nellie, presumably being dropped by horses. Noticing that there's a ladder somewhere. It's probably not the first thing on your on your list. But this is a this is a big ladder. This is this is supposed to be put on display.
Marissa:Yes, he was. He was taken there. And then like I said he was hanged. And they did this by putting a rope around his neck and then lifting him up so that he had the sensation of being hanged. It didn't actually kill him. And then they stopped after that, that didn't didn't actually kill him. And then they removed the rope and they kept him tied the ladder. And at this point, then they sliced off his genitals and they burned them as he watched. And then he was disemboweled. And these organs were also tight, tossed onto the fire. So they took his intestines out and tossed them onto the firewall he watched.
Matthew:You do not die very quickly from abdomen wounds. So like you can get your guts cut out of your body and you will not die for short of shock before for a minute.
Marissa:Yes, and I've read accounts where, you know, people would be rather stoic throughout a lot of their tortures. But when they were disempowered, they couldn't and they started screaming. So it's very brutal, very, very dark, very painful. And then, of course, at this point, they also took out his heart so that he's dead at this point. But they're not done with them. They're not done with them, then his arms and his legs were hacked off, and then his head was hacked off. So this was cornering him. There is no written account as to what specifically what they would do when they quartered somebody. Because sometimes it would be like, an arm, another arm, a leg, or leg and a hip or an arm and a shoulder, it's a, they just took off a limb, and maybe some other parts, well, they did it.
Matthew:And when you do a drawn and quartered, that's when you're tied to four horses that are pulled that are pulling your limbs in opposite directions, so that whatever parts break off are the parts that are supposed to be that that would be your quartering at that point. But it doesn't necessarily need to have the horses and you also, apparently, and this might be something we'll touch on at another time, there are accounts where you have to have the right type of horse to do it. Because not all horses are strong enough to rip people's limbs off. And there are accounts where they tried to draw on quarter somebody and the horses were young and not strong enough to pull pull their limbs apart. So the executioner had to go in there with a like a kitchen knife and hack at the at the joints in hopes that that would give enough freedom for the horses to be able to break them out.
Marissa:Seems to be the backup method when something doesn't go right. You know, I mean, I was reading a story about Jack catch the executioner when he was trying to kill somebody and it didn't quite work out. So he had to take a kitchen knife and actually tear you know, just, I don't know, slice. Me. So take the kitchen knife and with that, take his head off and like the guy was an executioner. He was like hacking on his head with a sword or an axe and he couldn't get the head off. So he had to take a kitchen knife. It's just it first of all, that's not its own episode, but like you're bad at your job if you have to go resorts that Yeah, well, there's
Matthew:certain. I mean, sometimes it sounds good on paper. And then you do it and you're like, oh, wait, this thing doesn't tonight, this thing doesn't pop off the way I expected it to. This is gonna take a while.
Marissa:Anyway, they they sent the four quarters of his body to Newcastle York, Dover in Bristol. And these were where he'd had the strongest support. And they took his head on a pike to London to display. Again, they did this to just be served as a warning to people who had supported him as hey, you need to obey the monarchy.
Matthew:And also during his execution, some accounts have Isabella there. But yeah, eating while she's watching him be called she was taking a her revenge a high level of pleasure in this. I mean, I'm sure again in the pageantry of the whole thing for her to be eating something. I don't know if it was like a full meal or a piece of fruit, but like the that just shows, it shows a lot about the situation and how you feel of it. Absolutely wasn't why she was sitting there in horror, like second guessing her decision to have this happen. She was like, proceed hand me a fig.
Marissa:I mean, in a way I understand her and her disgust with the guy just because she was supposed to be the queen. She was supposed to have the power of a queen. And instead this guy came along and took that from her.
Matthew:Yeah, and her kids and her husband. And like was this dude was actively trying to him and his father were actively trying to destroy her her life. So
Marissa:yeah, no may not have been personal against her. But it was definitely it became personal, impactful for
Matthew:you. But all of these are our motives for why someone would kill somebody taking their kids ruining their life, making them lose their their their income, all that stuff. And this, this family did it all to her.
Marissa:So you can understand her anger, especially as queen. She's got a lot of pride also. And they all lived happily ever after. But it's not it's not over yet. No. So Isabella had her revenge on this man who had taken away her husband and her children and terrorized the country, stealing castles and lands, he kidnapped he raped and tortured the people. Isabella had won. And Edward was now forced to abdicate. They gave basically gave them the option of allowing someone who was quote, qualified to rule or abdicating in favor of his son. Because at this point, he did not have the power Isabella had taken aback and she had the power. He was the first English monarch to abdicate the throne, which means give you he gave up the job. His son became Edward the third at 14 years old, Edward the second was imprisoned. We don't really know what happened to him after that one later account claim that he He was, quote, slain with a hot spit put through the secret place posterior. And other said, quote, A plumbers iron, he did intensely hot introduced through a tube into his secret parts so that it burned the inner portions beyond the intestines. Which is horrible,
Matthew:also unfounded like that that I was about to say that, yeah, that came much later.
Marissa:This does not have a lot of credibility. He probably actually escaped, or someone killed him. And while he was in prison, we just don't know. I mean, this was this was a long time ago. And they did not write it down. We don't really know. Like I said, there was not even an account of this, like slain with a hot poker story until like, years later way after this, Isabella and Mortimer, who was the guy she got with to, you know, do this rebellion thing. Revolution. Yeah, they rolled his regions until efforts third was old enough. So when he was 1718 years old, he took over and he became the king king working with third The problem was that Mortimer kind of did what he did. So he started stealing estates and titles and being pretty crummy. So Edwards heard did not really like him. And he had both Mortimer and Isabella rested. So she was arrested by her own son, Mortimer was hanged. But Isabella kind of got off light here and she lived out her life and luxury gets a happy ending away for her. Yeah, it's not a happy life.
Matthew:I mean, if you're if your boyfriend gets killed and stuff and
Marissa:like, didn't have a happy life,
Matthew:exactly happy and that's kind of true. True, true to her story. It never really has its ups and downs, but it
Marissa:says she kind of reinvented herself as like to happy grandmother. And that's how she lived her life.
Matthew:Yeah, probably you happy to get out of this whole political? Yeah,
Marissa:just you know, just living your life with people that she loved. Sure. So you know, happy for when Isabella did die. Many years later, she was buried holding a silver box. And it had Edward the second heart in it, huh? Yeah. So I thought so she must have had either some love left in him or it was just a symbolic victory over her husband's heart.
Matthew:For she tore the dude's heart out to the grave.
Marissa:I mean, we don't know what happened to him. But she was buried with his heart. Come on.
Matthew:I don't know that seems contradicting.
Marissa:Yeah, exactly. So some of the sources that are as they, they probably knew what happened to him. They just didn't record
Matthew:it. Yeah. I mean, the guy died at some point, right. So some sources think
Marissa:he escaped and lived abroad for the rest of his life. But they would never, they would never have like, come out and actually said that if that was the truth, because then there would be the old Monarch was alive. And there would be conflicting monarchs, so they wouldn't want people to know them. Sure. So they don't, they don't really know.
Matthew:Oh, the old king, he went upstate.
Marissa:Yeah, he went to the farm. Oh, he's
Matthew:the Upstate farm.
Marissa:They found some bones of a man in the 1970s and Houlton, Abbey and Staffordshire. And this was pretty cool, because there were markings on the bones that looked like this guy had been drawn and quartered. So you know, they could tell that the corpse had been beheaded that looked like they had been stabbed in the stomach. And there were also markings where the arm the meat was basically cut off.
Matthew:Well, this is a skeleton, but you can see like the cut marks, and yeah, they can tell
Marissa:a lot from a skeleton. So they can determine if you know these. It's a very old skeleton, but from what they can tell. This guy was drawn and quartered. So they think it was probably cute, but they don't know like 100% but it's still really cool. They they said that if this is Hugh, then he will be the first the first victim of this type of execution to be identified.
Matthew:And then say is that that first person of the to have a similar execution? No, but William Wallace actually does have a similar execution. He did.
Marissa:Yeah, watch Braveheart.
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