Macabrepedia: A Marriage of True Crime and the Truly Bizarre

The Murder of Jane Clouson in Victorian London

August 16, 2021 Matthew & Marissa Season 1 Episode 2
Macabrepedia: A Marriage of True Crime and the Truly Bizarre
The Murder of Jane Clouson in Victorian London
Show Notes Transcript

When a woman was found beaten and bloody on lovers lane by a London police officer, nobody knew who she was or what happened to her. After four days in critical condition, she died, leaving still more questions. Join Marissa and Matthew as they bicker and speculate about this case.

Sources:
Paul Thomas Murphy. 2017. PRETTY JANE and the VIPER of KIDBROOKE LANE : A True Story of Victorian Law and Disorder.


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Matthew:

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Marissa:

April 2016 1871, London England police constable Donald gun of the Greenwich division of the London Metropolitan Police

was making his rounds at 4:

15am. As he was walking along Kidbrooke lane, he noticed a mound of black and brown clothing, shaped somewhat like a woman. Kidbrooke Lane was known to be a haven for lovers with fields surrounding that were perfect for tourists, but still only minutes away from the hustle and bustle of London. That must have been why constable Gunn thought she was drunk, dumped by her lover to sleep it off as he approached her and asked what she was doing. Oh my poor head she kept repeating. God grabbed her and shook her by the shoulder when he noticed some blood on the side of her face. The woman slowly lifted her hand and turned toward him. Gun jumped back as he saw her face, numerous open wounds and gashes in her skull, we're showing blood and gore all over her face. Her left cheek was slashed and smashed in her right eye was gone, and the gash above where had been was open and showing a part of her brain through cleaved skull. It seemed like the effort of reaching toward him was too much for her, and the lady fell forward to the ground. Let me die, she said before she was still once more we invite you to stay in lesson as we add another entry into this our macabrepedia.

Matthew:

Oh hello and welcome to macabrepedia a marriage of true crime in the truly bizarre I am one of your hosts Matthew and Marissa. Today we will be exploring

Marissa:

the murder of Jane clusen. After the constable found the girl, he could see footprints a small pool of blood and marks from where she crawled out of the road. Her gloves and bonnet were beside her gone ran to the nearby stable where he ran into a sergeant Frederick Haynes who had been making his own rounds. They spoke for a moment before rushing off in separate directions, one to help the woman and one to alert the police station. The sergeant ascertained that she'd been laying in the road about four to five hours judging by the clotted blood. A stretcher came by and took her to get to medical care, but not before the sergeant claim. She said, Oh save me. Before once again losing consciousness. The woman was taken to guy's hospital where she was seen by two fresh out of med school doctors Michael Harris and Frederick Durham. They took several bits of her skull bone from the wounds and cleaned them as best as they could. They judge that the wounds were made from a sharp and heavy weapon as the dozen or so wounds on her face and head are pretty clean cut and they were pretty deep. Also, they were also defensive wounds on her arms and her hands where she tried to fight off her attacker. And it appeared that some of the wounds to her face were made after she already fallen to the ground. It seems like a targeted assault seemed like somebody wanted to destroy her face and erase her identity. Therefore, it was likely somebody that really knew her well. Two of the most heinous wounds had hacked skull and come to her brain and other had shattered her upper jaw bone and sliced her lip open. The only trauma they found on our lower body was recently inflicted bruise on her right thigh. But there was no evidence of sexual assault, they could see some clues about her identity. For instance, they thought that she was in her early 20s. Although later they found out they were wrong. And her rough and calloused hands, their knees show that she was used to hard labor and she likely worked as a servant for many years. They had her clothes and hope that she would gain consciousness long enough to tell them her name. But she was dying. And they knew that and there was nothing anyone could really do about it. They had someone sit with her day and night just in case she woke up and said something about who she was or her attacker. Sergeant Hayes took her dress her jacket and her petticoats back with him to the police station, where they were displayed in case anyone recognize them. I mean, this was before we could snap a picture and we're ready to go it was actually pretty common to display the clothing or the found belongings of somebody once they were, you know if they either died or they just didn't know who they were, they would display them to see if anybody in the public knew who they were.

Matthew:

Oh, yeah, I mean, obviously they couldn't. Even if even if they could take a picture of her she was she was all kinds of beat the hell

Marissa:

yeah. And and they could at the time it was available. But What year was this? 1871

Matthew:

I think pictures were 1839 was photography. Invention. Yeah. Well,

Marissa:

she definitely had a picture of herself. You can see online. Oh, that's right. Yeah. By the time Haynes returned to the crime scene, the footprints in the mud had been trampled through and disturbed mostly by the police constables, but also some looky loos So at this time, this type of evidence actually could be preserved using plaster of paris to make molds of the prints. But it was not done this case. However, Hanes did see a story in them. He saw two sets of footprints, including a man's who ran away from the struggle, slipped in the mud and ran off into firmer ground away from the scene. He followed the prince to a brook that ran over Kidbrooke Lane about 300 yards where he spotted four drops of blood, he did not collect it, and nobody else is known to have seen it, but that's supposedly what happened. Someone else at the scene found a dog whistle lying in the muck, a farm laborer found a blue dusting rags that was covered in blood when he was walking about a half mile or so from there where the woman had been found. And the next day, they recovered the weapon. A gardener who was working nearby on the grounds of Morton College, saw a plasterers hammer lying on the ground. This type of hammer has a 16 inch handle a hammer head on one side for hitting nails, and an axe like head on the other side that's used to split lights or smashing through plaster or in this case, perhaps that's the skull

Matthew:

I always thought that those were called hatchet hammers I didn't know that's what they were actually referred to until this moment because I remember my I guess it makes sense when I think about it now cuz I remember my dad and his buddy at the time named Mike were hanging drywall in this garage and me being a irresponsible youth decided to do pick up one of these at the time referred to as hatchet hammers and tried to cut the heads off of screws that I was holding on a on a stone

Marissa:

are you doing that

Matthew:

because I was irresponsible youth I started my sentence with that and and I was whacking away at the heads of these screws and missed and busted the nail off of my left thumb with the now referred to as plaster hammer now you know the term now I know 30 years later that they can do some damage for sure I mean it's it's a slightly blunted small acts effectively

Marissa:

Yeah, that seems like they've got to be pretty brutal

Matthew:

Yeah, you can you can do some damage that I mean, if you were in a zombie apocalypse, the tool definitely top top tier melee weapon for sure. Top 10 for melee weapons for sure

Marissa:

the the Alright, so on this hammer. Back to the story. The name J Sorby was stamped onto the head with a trademark image of the brand. And there were bits of hair and blood on the hammer. But it was found on a back footpath on the grounds of an institution, not on a well traveled part of the road seemed to show to investigators that whoever the murderer was he was very familiar with the backgrounds and shortcuts for the area and he seemed to be heading to the metropolitan area, which at the time included that Blackheath Greenwich deburred and London itself. Police suspected a tradesman and said about tracking down any supplier of J Sorby tools to the greater London area. So the newspapers just went absolutely crazy. On this, the salt became national news with reporters, scrambling to find out the identity of the woman and her attacker, as well as to report the latest information on the investigation. Rumors flew wild including reports of things that the woman said in the hospital. Even though the doctor at Guy's hospital score, she never woke up or uttered a word while she was there. One report connected her to another young woman servant who had been found dead in a pond nearby. Although it was determined that was not related. The public ate it up and people come to visit the crime scene. By Sunday, which was four days after the assault. 1000s of people traveled to Kidbrooke lane. They had trampled over and completely destroyed the crime scene now except for some of the blood where she had blamed Eve it's kind of crazy because even the landscape was destroyed. People took souvenirs from anywhere nearby they would take branches and stones and everything it was just like cleared clean. People just trying to get a piece of work where she had

Matthew:

died. Make sense? I mean people I mean morbid

Marissa:

fascination is gonna say

Matthew:

listeners not excluded people like hearing stuff like this out there. I mean, they're all about it. And if someone was murdered right down the street, you know, you go check it out. What else are you gonna do? This is the time before like, movies and stuff that would have this kind of thing. And this was the time of the penny Dreadfuls. You know, as you you know, they people were into that kind of stuff. You

Marissa:

didn't watch the news and see some of the crime scene.

Matthew:

Oh, for sure. Yeah,

Marissa:

it's a station discovery.

Matthew:

It's easier to run down there and just take a look for yourself and try to read it in a paper.

Marissa:

So at this point Scotland Yard sent one of their top detectives was named Jon Mulvaney to head up the investigation. For the remainder of the week. The woman's clothes were on display at the police station and see what she was available to see for anyone who thought that they could identify her Police questioned why nobody had come forward to say that she was missing. Surely she had family, friends and employer who was missing her. But nobody came forward. On the evening of April 30. Four days after she was found. The woman died due to her injuries. Dr. Harris did a post mortem honor and discovered that the woman had actually been two months pregnant.

Matthew:

That's a reason to kill somebody, I guess. plot thickens.

Marissa:

few miles away from where the assault had occurred. A man named William trot was reading his newspaper the day she died when it came across a recount of the assault, and a description of the woman's belongings. trots heart dropped. He recognized the description of the woman's belongings. A chocolate covered dress, black a bond, it was silk braiding and crocheted cloth around the neck. black lace bonnet with three red roses, just the week before he had seen these clothes on his nice Jane clusen when she had come over to his house. Nah, nah,

Matthew:

unless it's due to Taylor, he don't remember lace crochet. Nah, this dude did it is the murderer right here.

Marissa:

I mean, people had like, make their own clothes and

Matthew:

he didn't make her clothes as a nice, you know, the checking out is nice like that without any kind of suspicion. Ah, that's a killer.

Marissa:

All right, so we'll see William told his wife and his daughter Charlotte, who had been particularly close to and late that night they went to the police station with a recent photograph of Jane and a scrap of lace that was cut out of the same cloth as her

Matthew:

jackets. Alright, so maybe somebody at the house made that.

Marissa:

They learned that the woman had died just a few hours prior. They were taken to identify the body and they agreed that it was Jane. She had the same features as they could see of course and her birthmark. The Police now had a name. Before we learn more about this case, let's see what we can take out from our sponsors.

Matthew:

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Marissa:

Is this one actually gonna make us any money?

Matthew:

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Marissa:

Speaking of fleeting, this podcast time is going to be fleeting if we don't monetize something.

Matthew:

Okay, okay, well, yeah, I know that's true. But I have some things in the work. It's coming down the pike. Pretty soon, we might have some opportunities for sponsorship and possible Patreon in the future. It's not

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Matthew:

I don't know if we're gonna be able to do that. But in the meantime, we can absolutely thank those who are currently listening and building our audience. We do greatly appreciate your time. I know that that is a precious resource to everyone. So once again, take a timeout to just thank you for being part of this and listening to our silliness. And hopefully it's educational and fun.

Marissa:

It is very appreciated. Thank you. Particular huge

Matthew:

shout out over to those folks over at Carolina crimes podcast. They do a great job over there. It is a super binge worthy show that is put on by Matt hires and Danielle Meyers Carolina crimes podcast. Absolutely check them out. They are fantastic. Carolina crimes is a kind of a unique perspective. From a couple of good folk who just have a love of true crime and utilize that and their storytelling abilities to put on a really excellent show. Highly recommend Carolina crimes go check it out. But yeah, let's return to the story. With chain Clausen being identified

Marissa:

clues, clues back to your story. From there, they were able to find out a lot of information pretty quickly. J inclusa. Just turned 17 years old while she was in the hospital. So basically, she'd become pregnant when she was just 16. And those 16 and pregnant is not a good look. Nowadays. It was really bad for an unwed girl in the 19th century London. I mean, I guess there was no plan B even birth control if you get it and you could afford it was not common knowledge for all girls at the time. So unless you had like a really knowledgeable aren't OT or something

Matthew:

Oh, yeah. Or some sort of some of them herbal witchcraft.

Marissa:

Yeah, just I'd say it's probably a pretty unfortunately common scenario at the time to have been working as a service and she was 12. She'd have been employed by the poop family for the past two years. The poop family consisted of mr. Mrs. pook, their two sons and Mrs. pukes cousin. The patriarch, whose name was Ebenezer poop,

Matthew:

and almost certainly the killer, has to be Ebenezer. Come on just the name, please a murder. This dude impregnated her and then didn't want to have his whole family fall apart. kilter.

Marissa:

We'll see. He ran a print shop for about a decade. And they employed about six males in the print shop, but they're only servant was Jane. So she kind of did everything. From talking with Jane's cousin Charlotte, they found out that Jane had been having a romantic liaison with the younger pook son, 20 year old Edmund. Not gonna say he's a killer. It's Ebenezer. All right. But it had not been looked upon positively by his parents, who were determined to rise in social class. They wanted their sons to marry into higher social station

Matthew:

and then bang help, like Ebenezer. Come on, it's a cycle. This is how you do Yeah, that's how you do.

Marissa:

So the first son Thomas had already run off with a dressmakers apprentice. So for them, it was very important that Edmund actually make a good match because that was not in their eyes. In fact, Jane had been let go from the pokes employment just weeks earlier. So one important thing here, under Queen Victoria traits, such as chastity, propriety, and respectability, gained a whole new level of importance for young woman during this time, you're expected to behave a certain way. And that way was not being in your employer, son or employer. Not putting the blame on Jane here, but that's, you know, just the way life was. Victorian Science Society believe that you should be hardworking, tidy and even outwardly prudish. It's kind of funny because I will talk about this some other point, but it's named after Queen Victoria. The Victorian era obviously am. She was nothing. She was anything but prudish with her husband. She was not at all she was obsessed with her husband and a bunch of kids. Like she even asked her advisers. If there was a way she could have sex with her husband without having kids, but they wouldn't tell her she was the queen. So they're like, Wow, no, no, man. I don't think so. There was but

Unknown:

so yeah, there's a there's a couple ways we want to get into this because it's a family show.

Matthew:

It's not a family show at all for our family show. We ain't we ain't going into their

Marissa:

into the dark star on this episode.

Matthew:

Well, she she was in this on Victoria. I mean, she she, I mean her and was it George? Otter husband? Yeah, Albert, Albert. Yeah, Prince Albert cam there. He. I mean, they were super super love. Yeah. She was she was never seen out of mourning clothes now after after he died. I mean,

Marissa:

it was a love story. Yeah,

Matthew:

very much so. So she wasn't just like whoring around after his death or anything. She was just had an insatiable,

Marissa:

insatiable lust for Albert specifically. But it's funny, because that was not prudish at all. And that's

Matthew:

why they call the piercing the penis piercing of Prince Albert. Yeah. That's what that's what kept coming back. Okay, anyway, we're gonna store need some big jewelry. Okay, all right.

Marissa:

Yeah, let's get back to the story. Alright, so anyway, Victorians themselves were not necessarily like they weren't necessarily prudish themselves, but they expected you to at least appear. Right? Charlotte told the police that Charlotte's her cousin Charlotte told the police that Jane had come to see her the week before. She'd been in high spirits saying that Edwin was going to meet her and take her away with him. So the police began to think this was open shut. Right, the pregnant dead girl and her employer son who didn't want to be stuck or even deal with her. I mean, this sort of thing happens nowadays. You know, if somebody gets someone pregnant, I mean, doesn't always end well. You know, for

Matthew:

sure. Yeah. That's what I meant. Earlier when I said you know, that's, that's grounds for kills. I didn't just mean pregnancy. Yeah, like because it's like, you're gonna fall apart, right? Yeah, you got you got the wrong person. pregnant people do that shit all the time. Yeah.

Marissa:

Or, you know, like they wanted their son to rate to rise in social status that he can't do that if he marries the help. So the investigators really, like I said, they thought it was open and shut. They even they were so confident that they actually went out to have a round of beer at a dining spot just across the street from the poops house. You can see the puffs of salsa, like from where they were just came up later. As like a you guys. Why were you so confident. They denied that they did it on purpose. But anyway, so the investigators went to speak to the Father pook Ebenezer with their information, okay, the murderer, but he swore that it was not possible. Edmond pook was in fact epileptic effect that made it so that he was watched almost constantly by a member of the household. He swore it was impossible that Edmund had an romantic affair with Jane because of this. So when the inspector asked Ebenezer why Jane was let go. He said that she had been sloppy and lazy.

Matthew:

Claimed sloppy with his fucking son and he He couldn't deal with that.

Marissa:

Yeah, well, we'll see. He claimed that he did not know that she was pregnant. So Okay. All right. So when they questioned Edmund, they found a shirt with blood on it and they took him into custody. They were so just confident this was him. You know, there's blood on his shirt. She's he made her pregnant like this is a guy, you know, they got him they took him in. Someone had even claimed that Jane had said that pook had given her the silver locket that she'd been found with and that she was carrying his baby. And then a man matching the description of Edmund, who, who seemed running away from the crime scene, according to witness.

Unknown:

The Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Matthew:

Ebenezer?

Marissa:

I say I don't know why you're getting this, but Okay, we're gonna move forward. Okay. Okay. All right. So, seven, like, you've already made me lose my place. Jesus. Okay, so there was one store that sold Jay Sorby hammers, and there was an anomaly with the hammer on the books. So two identical hammers had been sold, but not at the same price, which could point out at a time often did could point out to one being sold to a tradesman, like an actual plaster looking for a plasterers hammer, and the other one being sold to a higher statured person, because it was charged a bit more. You see somebody in some bougie clothes? Why do I keep saying bougie? You see somebody in some bougie clothes?

Matthew:

Why do I say bougie? Let me change that to bougie.

Marissa:

Are you will you see somebody looks like they're of a higher class than a plasterer? Sure, you're gonna probably want to charge them a bit more, especially at this time. So that's what they saw on there that one phone was probably sold to somebody a bit higher up in status than a tradesman. So also, seven witnesses said that they saw clusen and poop together that evening.

Unknown:

Hold on, hold on. Let's

Matthew:

bet Let's back out to the murder weapon. This guy did not go by a hammer to go kill this girl. How do you know? Because that's just so sloppy.

Marissa:

Okay, they didn't have cameras. How are they? Look? Okay, you'll see in a minute like,

Matthew:

Dude could have picked up a brick on the way there if that was his intent to buy a hammer as a hatchet hammer, but he also could have just taken something from his house or anything like that. Like you don't stop at the gun store and buy a gun on your way like poker.

Marissa:

Cool think carrying a fire poker around London is gonna like raise some questions like being

Matthew:

an aristocrat carrying around a bunch of tools, maybe how to cope. big enough to carry a brick and things have

Marissa:

inside pockets. Yeah, well, we're gonna move on.

Matthew:

I'm just saying this dude did not go buy the murder weapon on the way there or buy a placer ham now I don't buy it. I don't buy it. The dude has something around his house that he could have used or something that he could have snagged he could have. I understand you don't want to have it tied back to your house. You could have picked up anything along the way. He's walking through fields in through this this place. It's like a not really heavily used area. Nah, not buying it. He didn't buy no damn

Marissa:

hammer. Murderers aren't always sparked.

Matthew:

I'm just I'm just saying. I mean, obviously there's catch people because they're stupid. Yeah, particularly in this time, because you can pretty much just kill somebody walk around a corner and be like, Oh, I didn't

Marissa:

know. I don't know what happened. I don't even know what I said. Now. You're talking after the claw hammer. Now I said okay, so seven witnesses thought said that they saw clusen and poop together that evening. Also, as you mentioned earlier, his shirt and also his trousers were covered in blood. So they weren't completely soaked through. But I mean, there was one word Yeah, blood. Okay, just just stuck with the semantics. Okay, there was blood on his clothes. So they also found a dog whistle near the scene. And pook was known to call for his lover's with a whistle

Matthew:

with a dog whistle that you can't fucking hear calling this bitches.

Marissa:

At the time. It was different. It was like it's more it's more you can hear it. It's not like a dog whistle nowadays where we can't hear it and dogs can hear it. It's it's

Matthew:

more like a sheep herding whistle that they say the dogs run around and they heard this shit.

Marissa:

Yeah, I mean, it's not very gentlemanly, I guess but he people go outside of her window and like blow the whistle and she would come outside because her Jane's heart no, another lover that he had this whole other thing. But he it this is a whole other thing. This is his alibi, and no, no, not at the same time. Okay, he would go outside.

Matthew:

Ebenezer he would go outside of this other.

Marissa:

He would go outside of his other lovers house blow the whistle. She would come outside her family didn't even know about their relationship but later it came to light right? So

Matthew:

I feel you're painting him in a really bad light.

Marissa:

Alright, so they found the store where the J Sorby hammers plasters hammer had been sold and they brought in the couple who owned the store. They put pook in a room with a couple dozen other men but neither one of the shop owners could actually identify him. So that's when Daddy Ebenezer pook got extra angry. The investigators are no longer able to get his hell because he says that the way they arrested Edmund just put him farther on his own son side and Edmund was innocent from the start, which is what Edmund claims and short they rushed in. And now they didn't have the cooperation from Edwin's father that they had wanted.

Matthew:

Yeah, because Ebenezer knew that he did not get the claw hammer from that place. And that is why he was like, Ooh, you guys are so far off shore. Boom. sinker. Got you.

Marissa:

You're really really putting all your eggs in one basket here.

Matthew:

Easy. Easy, Ebenezer?

Marissa:

Okay, anyway, so they started the trial. So a lawyer is enlisted to help Edmond pook. His name is also named pook. His name is Henry pook. Although there are there's no relation between the two apparently, plenty of books here. So they started the trial, the evidence started to fall apart. The bloody shirt, was it really blood. The witness testimony that Jane had told somebody that Edmond was the father of a child, the admin had been seen walking your kid proclaimed with a young woman, they added up, but it was still just hearsay. At the time, they did have some tests that could use on blood. It's nothing like today, but they could determine that it was mammal blood, which at the time was like it was it was like top level top notch testing type stuff

Matthew:

to find out if it's a mammal, as opposed to what a cricket or a fig

Marissa:

they determined that it was male blood but like I said, there are a lot of mammals. So I mean,

Matthew:

almost. I mean, like not a lot of other shit bleeds red.

Marissa:

Yeah, okay. Well, it could have been could have been a bunch of stuff. But also like even if it was blood, his defense said that the blood was his own because he bit his tongue during an epileptic seizure. And he bled all over his clothes. So that was their their their thing on this. The judge dismissed all statements that witnesses claimed she made before her death that named Pookas her attacker as hearsay. Someone testified that Phuket and been the one to give Jane the silver locket that she had. The police had found the dog was near the scene of the crime, but hadn't been placed in evidence book at first. So the defense when they heard this question the validity of the evidence. The prosecution's case was falling apart. The trial lasted for four days. But again, it was mostly focused on hearsay was a very circumstantial case. Overall, it did paint a picture but it wasn't really enough. You know, there wasn't concrete evidence. There was absolute fervor outside of the courtroom with crowds on both sides of the trial, people who demanded justice for Jane, and those that demanded that poop was treated unfairly and that he should be acquitted. So it was like, heavy, like, polarized opinions on us.

Matthew:

Mm hmm. Yeah, there's heavy polarized opinions in this room about this.

Marissa:

Okay, okay. Okay. It was Ebenezer

Matthew:

all day. I feel like you are leaning towards Edwin in a big a big and unfair way.

Marissa:

Edmund, whatever. So I might

Matthew:

add mooned. We don't need to know his name because it's free. We don't need to we don't need to associate him with this with this terrible heinous crime.

Marissa:

Okay, so you're on the Edmonds being treated unfairly. Sad. Gotcha. All right. So the jury deliberated for 20 minutes before finding Edmond pook not guilty

Matthew:

boo, boo, boo, Boo Boo Boo Boo boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. We're done here. Thank you. And that was another episode of Uber PDF.

Marissa:

Alright, so the prosecution had a lot of evidence, they just couldn't make it stick. Although they had a lot of support during the trial. Public opinion ended up turning against the poops. Eventually. However, Edmond lived another 50 years, got married, lived a long life and died at age 70. Yeah, well,

Matthew:

I mean, I can understand what they would still be against the poops. Yeah. Because it was Ebenezer.

Marissa:

Oh. Not that funny.

Matthew:

I really think that it was Ebenezer it makes way more sense. You want your son to marry into a better a better station which is kind of uncommon anyways like I mean, it's a little harder for a man to you want to mean like a man to marry into a higher thing like it's generally the woman who seeks the better position by marriage via man Sara

Marissa:

Lee depends on if you have money or not it was always take with money and some kind of title or

Matthew:

I'm sure everybody wants to marry marry rich I get it but I don't have an easy pook is like, don't you do that shit that your brother did with a seamstress?

Marissa:

Does the thing though his his brother did do it and nothing happened.

Matthew:

I know cuz he got away. I'm just saying at the first one. Okay, whatever. cut your losses go on. So Ebony's Last one son to running away with a seamstress. This is this is for real. Ebenezer last one son to running away with the seamstress. Another son is with the housemaid. And I'm not saying that didn't have a relationship. Sure. I'm not necessarily saying that she wasn't pregnant. I'm even gonna go as far as she wasn't pregnant. No, no, I'm not from Edmond, the width. But let's just say everything is true in here. You only need to change one thing. Everything that you said it was every every single bit of evidence right. Admin is with Jane. Right. Jane is pregnant Jane recently got fired. Why? Because Mr. pook is like nah get out of here. You're not going to seduce my son and I want him to marry someone rich and you ain't it so goodbye. Right so get her out of the picture. Admin uses apparently is known to use a dog whistle in order to get his women. He the Jane tells her cousin that Oh, admins gonna come get me tonight. And we're going to run away together. Cool. While behind the scenes what you don't see is that Mr. pook Ebenezer finds out of Edmonds plan and then goes and it's just banking that this dog whistle is also going to catch her attention because he knows that his son is a scoundrel like that. So he's

Marissa:

the dog whistle just to get her attention.

Matthew:

He goes there. He waits for her. He already like tells admin like Nah, you ain't going nowhere. You go sit in your room Shut up. And admins like oh, and he's probably penned in a letter. My dad phoned up Baba Baba, and then he goes and wicky wacky wack kills Jain runs away. Similar probably build to his to his son goes home. And he's like, you're gonna if you try to pin this on me, you're the one who's gonna go down. Everything points against you. I will protect you, son. I'm the one with the money. Ebenezer all day, Edmond doesn't have a reason to do

Marissa:

it. He impregnated this girl. He has a reason.

Matthew:

So okay, seven year does

Marissa:

do I mean I get what you're saying. I'm just I don't know.

Matthew:

I mean, okay. Alternate alternate thing. Ebony or I'm sorry, Edmond says to her Oh, meet me at Lovers Lane. So we can run away together which first of all odd place that to me right? For a runaway like that's like a place where you go to get your rocks off real quick and then go your separate ways. Like this is not like a I don't know maybe that's their special spot doesn't seem to make sense. I don't I don't believe that. That's that's the thing. But maybe he was using that to lower their maybe I just I don't think I don't think he would use a dog whistle to get her there. You know what I mean? Like that just doesn't feel right.

Marissa:

You know, like, Edmund would use it

Matthew:

doesn't make sense. He was known to use it. Yeah, but he's also told me to meet him there like all he has to do is hang out and just be there. Meet me at the second garbage can next to the to the drunk.

Marissa:

Meet me next. The garbage can.

Matthew:

I mean, I don't know. I'm picking a picture. And this is like an alley on the outside of town. Yeah, I

Marissa:

mean, there wasn't much there from what I just saw. I

Matthew:

mean, like, I can't think it's that hard to find somebody like I understand using it to like get somebody's attention from inside the house. It's kind of like honking your horn and not going inside. Right. I

Marissa:

get it. Well, there's also the possibility that it wasn't anybody's whistle. It was just was there. Yeah,

Matthew:

well, that doesn't really fit in front of our narrative doesn't know. Anyways, since

Marissa:

Kevin Right, maybe they it was just there or maybe the prosecution.

Matthew:

I don't think somebody they planted I don't think they planted it unless this dude's like walking around town whistling like that. Like, oh, here comes the admin with his whistle and he's like, I mean, come on, like, how obvious can that be like, you know, if you hear the whistle outside of your door, and you like, all of a sudden you just go running out there. You're like, shit, Adam is here for my daughter, or admins here for my daughter. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And that was not a good accent from anywhere on the British Isles, by the way. But anyways,

Marissa:

point is the police kind of bungled the investigation and that's a lot of why nobody was charged in this particular crime. Unfortunately, Port Jane clusen never got justice. She has a sad story. Her mother died when she was really young. And she started to work when she was just 12 years old, doing all the hard work of a servant, which at the time could be anything or employers wanted. She trusted this guy. He allegedly got her pregnant at just 16 She was young and she was trusting and it cost her her life. People mentioned seeing her ghosts for years after her death. She was dressed in white and her face was running with blood. They claimed to see her in the lane until you know the London construction just built up and they were buildings and stuff everywhere and then her ghost disappeared.

Matthew:

That's kinda like the Asian ghost that waits in a lane for for people and then asks, Do you think I'm pretty? And then whatever you say she takes a mask off and like her bottom part of her face is all like mangled and grit. No, you don't know that. Sorry. They're all out ladies and white though ghosts. Yeah, this one one with a with a with a hatchet face right

Marissa:

Gotcha. So Jane was given a memorial at broccoli cemetery. It's now in the Lewisham borough of London, and it was paid for with public money. The statue is of a praying child on top of a pillar with the words, a motherless girl who was murdered in Kidbrooke, Lane, Eltham, age 17 and 1871. So I'm sorry to start off the true crime had a conviction. But I mean, Evan probably did it. You believe Ebenezer did it. But you can see also why he was acquitted as the prosecution really didn't have a lot of concrete evidence. And they spent all of their efforts digging into Edmond pook. And they didn't look anywhere else, because they really thought he did it. So they didn't really bother to look elsewhere. Yeah, certainly

Matthew:

put some blinders on to any real investigation, a real investigation on that one.

Marissa:

Yeah. So the author Paul Thomas Murphy wrote a book called pretty Jane and the Viper of kid proclaim a true story of Victorian Law and Disorder. And and he details all of this and he believes that Edmund pook probably did it but comes down to whether or not you believe Jane, people believe everything that she's allegedly said. So all these people that admin impregnated her, Edmund promised to take her away. Was that real? But did they actually speak the truth? To Jane say that I mean, it's, it's all hearsay. You know,

Matthew:

I'm saying that even if you take all that into account, and you put it on Jane as being 100% True, and everything that she said, and all the people who claim to have seen this, that and yeah, it still doesn't mean that Ebenezer didn't wasn't the person who met her there at that time.

Marissa:

I mean, I can I can see where you're coming from just on what we know about it.

Matthew:

I'm just saying, You mean it doesn't. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't change anything. Regardless, these people have been every person involved in this has been dead for 100 years. But you know, I mean, it's, it definitely seems to touch the the population of London if they put up a memorial for that's that's kind of nice. I mean, definitely seems to have really captivated the the populace.

Marissa:

You can still see the memorial in London if you happen to go to the Brockway cemetery and that is our sad story of Jane clusen.

Matthew:

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