The Devil's in the Details: Satanic Panic Vol 3.

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Judas Priest Trial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUMrjbSiG4A&t=24s

Dee Snyder's Senate Hearing for the PMRC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0Vyr1TylTE

The Filthy 15 
https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stories/filthy-fifteen-pmrc-censorship/

https://www.ksby.com/news/local-news/local-judge-grants-parole-to-royce-casey-man-convicted-of-killing-arroyo-grande-tei

Transcript

Marissa: 0:00

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Matthew: 0:17

On Friday, February 13 1970, the genre of metal was presented to the masses as Black Sabbath released their debut album of the same name. The title track leading off with a slow unsettling riff known as Diablo is in musica, the devil in music, and the devil's triad. The purpose of the triad is deliberate and ugly. A good start for a genre of music that would be pulled center stage during the Satanic Panic of the 80s and 90s. rock and metal music would be put on trial numerous times throughout the decades. But it was during this time that a series of murders, suicides and destructive acts would fuel a panic leading to the creation of the PMRC were musicians using subliminal messages and occult imagery to brainwash their audiences into committing heinous acts? are violent people simply drawn to violent music? Was it all? Just coincidence? Join us as we add another entry into this our Macabrepedia.

Marissa: 1:32

Hello, and welcome to Macabrepedia marriage of true crime in the truly bizarre, as always, we are your hosts, Marissa and Matthew. And we are continuing the Satanic Panic this week. It sounds like

Matthew: 1:44

you're just you know, continuing on in that I mean, there's, there's, there's, there's a lot of there's a lot of subject matter. Sure there.

Marissa: 1:52

So this this week, we're talking about metal. Metal,

Matthew: 2:01

that's not, that's not I was trying to make sure that I didn't hit a riff that was actually real just for copyright purposes. So during the 80s, and 90s, there were a couple of kind of high profile trials that were brought forth, because of incidences that were being linked to metal music and rock music and stuff, right? A lot of it goes around this idea of something called backmasking. Now backmasking is hidden imagery or hidden messaging within music, generally playing something backwards.

Marissa: 2:45

Okay, so to hide it to mask it, right. All right, and

Matthew: 2:48

back mess, right? So the and if you play the play a song backwards, it's supposed to have hidden meanings, right? So and this isn't just specifically to the metal genre, because even the Beatles have a huge conspiracy around backmasking that John Lennon had says things like, I miss you, Paul, or Paul is dead. Paul is dead. Yeah, Paul is dead and a couple of a couple of references and they're in different songs too. And there's this conspiracy that Paul McCartney had died and that was replaced

Marissa: 3:21

by a fake Paul please fire an

Matthew: 3:23

exact duplicate that apparently John Lennon just wasn't wasn't his best friend wasn't Lincoln with so you'd be able to put little, little little little drops in some of the songs and and they were also the Beatles were also linked to the Satanic Panic in ways to because on the on the, the cover of Sergeant Pepper's

Marissa: 3:44

Lonely Hearts Club. Yeah. The Hearts Club Band. Yep,

Matthew: 3:47

I know you notice in the upper left hand corner, there's a bald man looking very severely out. And that bald man is Aleister Crowley. I am the wickedest man to ever live. He is quite a character, Aleister Crowley, he was a member of a number of occult clubs and associations and he was a tribute they attribute parts of Satanism to Him, though He was very much into a different a different line of, of belief. It wasn't necessarily Satanism. He actually has this is this is going off on a bit of a tangent but his wife during a trip to Egypt spoke to spoke to an Egyptian god who had given prophecy and then he was able to utilize that and this dude, this dude, Aleister Crowley is a badass in some really weird ways. But he he had even like, he was he was he moved him he got himself moved up to like, the head of an organization, the son of something If this wasn't actually part of the podcast at all I'm just going off on a rant but he but he he was guarding the door so that they couldn't go into the temple and basically remove him. And he came out with like a sword and wearing like robes and armor and stuff ready to fight off the police and people trying to very metal Yeah, yeah, it's pre metal but we have to kind of harp on him a little bit is his name comes up in a lot.

Marissa: 5:27

Crowley that's like a Ozzy things that right.

Matthew: 5:29

Miss duck row. Yeah, yeah. So he, there's a reference there, people who are attached to some of these crimes, they they also they, they go hand in hand with with references to Aleister Crowley. Now, that's we're gonna get into that a little bit more in the next episode. But for this one backmasking is being there's there's a lot of, there's a lot of bands that have very overt satanic imagery and lyrics in their, in their, in their presentation and in their art during this time, so it's not like, this isn't just, oh, they have pictures of of devils and stuff like that. And they're referencing murder. But that is kind of protected, at least in the US. Under like free speech. Ozzy was brought up in court to defend while he was supposed to go to court to defend against a kid who committed suicide and they were they were blaming it on his music, but he was protected under freedom of speech. Yeah, so sure thrown out him. backmasking is not protected. Because it's not. It's not supposed to be there. So there's like a loophole there that it's like, it's kind of like

Marissa: 6:53

they're trying to put subliminal messaging in it, then that would not be covered.

Matthew: 6:56

Yeah. Because there's there's like an ill intent. Yeah, specifics. Okay, I get it. But during like the 80s, and stuff, there's bands like, mayhem, Venom, these are bands that are Slayer, these are bands that they are not being secretive about the stuff that they're doing, or that they're like, the stories or imagery that they're that they're presenting. And I'm not saying whether or not they're, they're satanic, necessarily or anything like that, but they but this is this is when, you know, there's different sub genres of metal, so you have like death metal, black metal, thrash metal, all kinds of different stuff. But like death metal, and black metal is like, kind of what it says on the tin, right? It's about death and, and darkness. Right. So it's pretty heavy stuff. So, but what is really gaining a lot of a lot of the media time during this is there are cases that do go to trial, that aren't just pretty much immediately thrown out, like the Ozzy case. So there are a bunch of crimes that get associated with with these things so that you have the stuff like Ozzy, which was pretty much thrown out pretty quickly based on on stuff like that. There is not there's there are, there is an increased belief that the music is, you know, causing people to do bad things and murder, suicide. church burnings that was a big thing in Norway, or the Norwegian death metal scene was in the church burnings and stuff like that. There's more story to that. Don't just take that. That's not we're not going to get too far into that. But there was there was some things in there and there was even there, there are bands that have that, in that scene that had done intentional back backmasking, which was to say, like, let the churches burn. But they didn't get in trouble. And they get in trouble for other things. I mean, they, they put that in as a backmasking. But they also were like openly kind of pushing that.

Marissa: 8:56

So they were telling people that this is in there so that

Matthew: 8:58

again, this is not this is not part of the story that I was really trying to get to. Yeah, yeah. But still, I don't want to I don't want to miss I don't know enough about it to tell you exactly how active some of that stuff was. Now there are other crimes that are associated with, with open association with with devil worshipping and metal music like Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker. He famously stood up in the middle of court with a pentagram and drawn on his hand and just yelled Hail Satan and race it up and at one of his murder scenes, he had a he left a ACDC hat and his name even the Night Stalker is a play on the AC DC song of night Prowler so he's very openly Satanic and loosens the metal right? But as far as some of these other these other stories, it's, there's there are those bands that deliberately put back masking in there as like, just like to kind of play on on these fears, right. But there are one of the most high profile ones that happened during this time period was Judas Priest, Judas Priest released a number of songs that were being played backwards to show that there were there were commands, like do it. Right. I don't. It's what exactly it seems very. And not only that, that one was actually in a in a song that I believe is actually a cover song. So it's not even like they would have put that in there specifically, although in court, they had Rob Hatfield actually Hallford actually sing the lyrics. And so that when he doesn't exhale, like while he's singing, they were like, Is that intentional? Is that what is at the hidden part where you're doing the music? No. Man's just stylist, you know. But so to go into that before we put Rob on the state on the stand, we have to go back a little bit in 1990. Well, that's when the court proceedings happen. That was the the trial was brought forth against Judas Priest on behalf of the parents of two young gentlemen. One was one was the age of 17. The other was the age of 20. I believe, at the time, James Vance and Raman Belknap, they after like a six hour drug and alcohol fueled Bender, go to a playground next to a church. And they've been doing this for the better part of six hours, just getting wasted. And Ramin, Belknap, has a shotgun. And he gets into this funk, of saying how he really he really fucked up his life and everything is shitty, and all this stuff. And he, they make a pact, a suicide pact. And they're on like, one of those little merry go rounds, like the ones that send centrifugal force ones that, ya know, throw you around, and they're sitting on there. And he puts the gun they agree to, to end it. So Raymond puts the gun up to his neck, pulls the trigger, kills himself right there. James will, he takes the gun, puts it to his, his head, but he puts it, he puts it up, instead of being close to the neck, he puts it kind of like where the jawline would be underneath. So it's kind of in the fleshy part, like under the tiny more up into the skull, it's pointing upward. Yeah, more like straight up. And he's contemplating, does he really want to do this, but he's committed to do it, even though he doesn't really want to die, but he's gonna He's gonna do it anyways, pulls the trigger, boom. He survives. He is pretty horrifically named, I would imagine, as a shotgun, blew out the blue out like his, like, his nose, and part of his skull. And like the whole, like, the whole column of his head was just blown apart.

Marissa: 13:35

I've seen a lot of pictures of people who mess up to try to kill themselves with a shotgun. And it's pretty horrific.

Matthew: 13:41

It's crazy what you can survive. Yeah, I really will die very, very easily. And it's like, Whoa, I didn't expect that, you know, some freak accident. But sometimes it takes a it takes a lot more to kill somebody than you think or kill yourself, and then you think, but he ends up blowing the top of the front of his face off effectively. And he survives. He, his parents, then try to sue Judas Priest and the record label because they believe that they're their children. were influenced by these subliminal messages and these messages that were even not even subliminal that were that were being pumped into their children's subconscious.

Marissa: 14:27

I mean, again, this is parents trying to find a reason for Oh, yeah. And

Matthew: 14:33

if you there's a documentary that has that has a court proceedings and goes into this. And there I'll link it in the show notes. But the the parents are absolutely fit well, particularly the boy who survived. James, his parents are very, very much like not Not, not not taking any blame at all. Like they And even though his, he doesn't, he didn't. He didn't know who his his birth father was. Neither one of them, I think, knew who their birth fathers were. And he, like, his his step father was abusive, and an alcoholic and into drugs and had beat on his mother for the first couple of years of their life. And she's trying to defend him and say all this stuff, but definitely, both of these. These gentlemen come from very hard upbringing. very traumatic, like, a lot of ways. Yeah. And Raman, he, I think, from what I was able to kind of glean from the the documentary and what just little snippets, after he dies, his he ends up having the birth of his of a child, right. So during the during the trials, he has a well, he died, obviously, but there's a there's a child involved as well. And I think that that was very scary to him, you know, as a as a 17 year old who is about to be a dad who doesn't have, he doesn't have his daddy to he had, at one point stolen like $400 from an employer, and then hopped the bus to try to go find his birth dad and stuff like that. And like, like, he's a troll. He's he had some troubled stuff, very troubled, and a little desperate. So when he's saying I fucked up my whole life, I can't I have to assume that there's that plays some part into it, right? I don't know the situation with with the girlfriend or whatever that was happening with that anyways, but the the court proceedings, go on to show, try to show that there's do it and be dead and all this stuff, like hidden and all these messages and stuff. So Rob, Rob, and Judas Priest, they they go and they get other other music, and they play it backwards. And they tell the court like, this is what you're going to hear. And it's stuff like, it's clear as day like, it's so clear when he said when he tells you what you're going to hear it's way more than just like, do it. Like they're trying to say where it's like, you're like, so you should do it. It's like, what do you mean? He says, do it. Even if you tell me what to do? There's one where he actually takes takes a boombox and puts it into the courtroom. And he plays it back and he plays the song, then he plays it backwards.

Marissa: 17:34

Is this YouTube video? Well, yeah, well

Matthew: 17:36

as the documentary. He doesn't, you can find it on YouTube. But he but he plays it backwards. And it's clear clearly says, I asked for a peppermint. And I got her to get it clear as day. So he does this. And he and Rob would say that he was watching the judge while he played this. And he saw like, the judge kind of like had this like click moment, right? So anyways, they Judas Priest eventually gets off without having any liability for this. And that's basically because there's just fucking bullshit. These people are trying to get$6 million off of out of this case. Yeah.

Marissa: 18:15

And sad, sad situation.

Matthew: 18:16

Oh, yeah, it's terrible. Well, and you know, I mean, again, kinda like you had said, and they want, they want to have something to blame, and they don't want to blame themselves. Right. So they, they don't, they don't get that. And it does suck too, because part of it was to help raise the baby. And another part was to help care for James who, in the documentary, he is mostly functional, like he's playing with the dog and stuff like that. And he's, uh, he's bandaged up and like, he's got like, clearly like a big, like, crater like, hole going through his head and his knees. But he seems to be pretty active. He eventually does die three years later, from complications due to this. I don't I couldn't find like the actual details if there was like an infection or something that had happened with us, but he did die shortly after getting admitted to a hospital or trying to get admitted to a hospital for depression. So I don't I don't know the conclusion of that particular story. But so going, going also into this, this this time period as well. There is the rise of the PMRC. The PMRC is a group known as the Washington wives as well.

Marissa: 19:39

What does that stand for?

Matthew: 19:40

It stands for the parents music Resource Center. And it was formed in 1985. So a little bit pre this this whole thing with Judas Priest and all that, but it was headed by Tipper Gore. Oh, really? Yeah. The wife of Al Gore former Well, Senator and vice president vice president but and that's another that that it's another hearing that is definitely worth a watch. They bring up some unexpected people in these hearings, but it's also really crazy to watch because tipper starts this whole organization because she buys her daughter, Prince's Purple Rain album, and is surprised that it's heavily sexual.

Marissa: 20:33

Come on. Yeah. Like, the man in France a

Matthew: 20:37

man is is is purple sex. Yeah. And I mean, I mean, but, and part of it is, there's a particular lyric in there that says I met her in a hotel lobby and she was pleasuring herself with a magazine. And she tipper flips out about this and, and makes a big deal about it, they come up with something called the filthy 15 The filthy 15 are 15 songs that need to be banned or something along those lines to be to be as their exam examples of like what they figured was like the worst of the worst. And some of them I'm like, come on,

Marissa: 21:21

there's only 15

Matthew: 21:23

Well, I'm sure some more I'll read it off to you. So there was Cindy loppers she bought of 1983 there was Mary Jane girls in my house, which was arranged by Rick James so you know that that's a good one. Black Sabbath trashed there was merciful fate into the Coven deaf leopards high and dry. Wasp animal fuck like a beast. Okay, well,

Marissa: 21:58

okay, get that one.

Matthew: 21:59

Madonna's dress you up? A CDCs let me put my love into you. Twisted sisters. We're not going to take it I love them. You love Twisted Sister. Yeah, well Dee Snider if you like Twisted Sister this was like the snap D Snyder's pretty badass dude anyways, but he goes there and he presents a really great case in front of the court with this oh yeah him and John Denver. Oh nice. Yeah. Are both basically their their whole stance is it's it's freedom of speech and that it's they're not responsible for other people reading into the lyrics and stuff and it's it's it's it's not it's not they made the song the way they made the song and it's theirs to make it regulate art man Right exactly. That's basically all it comes down to another one is Motley crews bastard. You got vanity strap on Robbie, baby that one I don't know. I don't I don't know that one. Judas Priest eat me alive. Sheena Easton sugar walls. I don't know if I know that one. But when they said sugar walls I was like nice. When you tell me the context and then the one that out the 15 there Well, there's two more really, but one of the one was there was also that I had mentioned him earlier the the band venom and they have a song called possessed. Which is it's like, some of the lyrics are I drink the vomit of priests make love with a dying whore. Like, yeah, that one. I'm like, All right. All right. Okay, that's not the I mean, though, some bands they don't they don't hide what they're doing like sugar walls. Like I said, you told me the context. Yeah, gotcha, gotcha. But the one that and then of course there was darling Nikki by Prince which is the one that got tipper all worked

Marissa: 23:57

up. She got all worked up. I don't know, I'm just I'm just imagining them sitting around reading reading these lyrics and listening to the songs and I was a terrible

Matthew: 24:06

tipper reads out the lyrics from Darlene Nicki in reference, and I'm like, so good. Nice. But yeah, so they all come forth, and that do this and there was a bit of a, you know, there's a bit of a issue with it. I mean, ultimately, I do agree that there should be something like, you know, there's like movies, they have a rating system, right. So if you know that there's a rated R, you should know kind of you have an idea as to what you're getting into. And then there's stuff like that what we have now with the parental advisory for explicit content labeled a little black and white box. I do agree that that should be there. Because it is it is nice to have it and as a person who has worked in certain industries where there are age restricted, I worked in video games, there are age restricted thing, it is nice to kind of have an idea as to what's in this because you're

Marissa: 24:56

as you're selling if somebody you have to tell them or you should tell them not only

Matthew: 24:59

that, but as As a parent, your kid says, Can I get this? And you look at it, and it's whatever and you go Yeah, sure

Marissa: 25:05

exactly what I'm saying, as a person who's selling it, you can tell them hey, this is actually what's up here.

Matthew: 25:10

Grand Theft Auto, some

Marissa: 25:11

do. But yeah.

Matthew: 25:12

Oh my god, I can't I can't tell you how many times I would tell. I would flip it over, I got a little bit of trouble for this. I would flip it over and I would read that it has sexual content. Yeah. nudity, strong language, violence, and I would read everything off from the back of it. And every parent would say, I make them turn off the sound. To which I'd say yeah, because it's the sound of beating a hooker with a bat to steal their money back after you have sex with them. That's the real problem with that. So there are these. And then some of the defenses. There's another woman who's there named Susan Baker, Susan Baker is, you know, trying to say the same kind of thing is like, music nowadays is so terrible back in my day, when we were just listening to good old stuff like Elvis Presley band, you know, like all of these, all of them every quite a ruckus, but every person that she every band, or artists that she lists had been banned in the time that it came out. So it's just like, it's just another, you know, it's all this stuff. But

Marissa: 26:15

Elvis was very sexual at the time. I mean, it wasn't overt as per now, but like at the time, it calls

Matthew: 26:21

No, they weren't allowed to show was crazy. Yeah, they weren't because they were too sexy. Yeah. But they were Yeah. So anyways, I agree with the idea of a parental advisory sticker. They wanted it to be much bigger, like, like, some countries have the Surgeon General warnings and like pictures of like, babies and stuff on cigarettes, and they were calling for something a little more like that. Which we have that little, the little black and white parental advisory sticker on there. But the there was the argument of like, but that's also covering up the artwork that we're presenting on here. But anyways, they end up getting that everything else. Yeah, not so much. Another good watch, though. And but the idea of like, art, influencing people and being like, the fall of civilization, and all this stuff has been going on since the birth of civilization like Aristotle was complaining about the youth being not like the not like the older generation and they don't understand how to do this and there are a bunch of ruffians indebted now it's violent video game. Yeah, fast forward 3000 years. And this is amazing complaint. It's no different.

Marissa: 27:32

I mean, art does influence people for sure. But not, not in that way. I don't believe I mean, if you're gonna be influenced by that, you're already gonna be likely to head that way.

Matthew: 27:41

Right? I think that violent people will be attracted to violent music more often. Not even, that's not even 100% thing. And there's also you know, there are some people who just are attracted to violent music for when I say violent, I mean, also just like fast, heavy, you know, whatever, all this kind of stuff. Because for different different reasons. And some of it is just because they like to hear the shock value and stuff like that. There are other other people who are attracted to the music. Then there are those people kind of in the, the Ramirez kind of knightstalker kind of thing that are violent people who like the violent music, right, or heavier, faster music. And then there are some people who are undoubtedly influenced by the lyrics. It's, you know, answers 100%. Taking into that kind of vein, the case of Elise paler. She was a 15 year old girl who was slain by three of her her friends. The three the three friends were Joseph Fiorella, age 14, Jacob, Dell Schmidt, and Royce KC, age 16. They had a metal band called hatred, and they're 16 and 14. And they they are very much into a band called Slayer. And Slayer has. They have they have a lot of very, very violent songs. Like I don't know where to put

Marissa: 29:25

it. People new people like to swim. Like what? Nothing put in podcast that I've known people who really loved Slayer. Isn't that the one with the crazy shirts and stuff and masks or am I making

Matthew: 29:39

slipknot? But so Slayer has some very heavy imagery, right? They have songs about sacrifice and necrophilia and all this kind of, you know, these really intense intense lyrics. And these three boys were kind of trying to do like a Tommy Johnson kind of a thing. At The Crossroads. It's

Marissa: 30:04

the Oh yeah, yeah, the crossroads. Yep, the guitar player

Matthew: 30:07

who met the devil at the crossroads, and then made a deal with the devil in order to become a great musician, they're kind of doing this kind of thing. So they're thinking that if they make a sacrifice to the devil, that they will be able to trade that for some musical chops. So they have they meet up with this girl to have them go to the go to school with her, Jacob and Joseph. And the, the in Royse goes to another school because he's like a at risk child or something. So they but the three of them are in the band together, they start hanging out with her. She's like, what she likes sneaks out of the house and goes hangs out with them and stuff like that. So she's not like a perfect little girl or anything like that. But they target her specifically because they believe her to be a highly devout Christian and a virgin. And she's like blond haired, blue eyed. She's just like, the perfect satanic sacrifice, and they're, so the two. So Jacob and Joseph, they have another friend that they plot with to lure her to this ravine, and they get her out there. And the other friend, not not of the three that I've named, he goes into the ravine lures her down there, they give him a hunting knife, and tell him the stabber. He freezes and doesn't do it. She believes that it's just kind of a joke that they're just messing with her and forgives and forgets and then moves on. Joseph, the 14 year old is the one who's like super into the occult, he's into the Aleister Crowley's he's into Satanism, and he he's reading all of these like occult books and like, he's, he's really buying into this, like, let's let's raise the devil kind of a thing. And he then teamed up for a second attempt. And this time they bring Royce into it. And they they lure her out again, she lies to her parents, so she's gonna go to bed, she ends up sneaking out, they meet up in a secluded area, while they're sitting there smoking weed and looking at the stars and bullshitting and, you know, doing whatever teens do. One of them throws a belt around her neck, and pulls her pulls her to the ground pins are there and another one gets on top of her hold your arms down. And the third then begins to stab her with with a hunting knife man, the coroner would later say of the 15 blows that were struck on her. None of them are fatal, meaning she died from blood loss. So she just had to sit there and the pain of of this again, like I said, it's it. People don't die quite as easy as the movies will show. And it's it's a kind of a horrific thing.

Marissa: 32:58

That's, that's really terrible.

Matthew: 33:00

To these three, they are all about this, they have a high energy about this whole thing. And they proceed to have some necro philic no relations with her. One of which I don't know who it was, went back after they had finished and had made return trips to her corpse to continue their relationship. Well, they had pretty much gotten away with it because no one could find the body or anything like that. Shortly thereafter, Royce Royce Casey he ends up converting to Christianity and he somewhat in fear of the other two being that he's going to be targeted by them because there are again so there they were ritualistically kind of doing lines that can be very much associated so like Slayer, being that like there were there are references to necrophilia and how that like dams the soul harder kind of a thing. I don't know the actual lyrics and pull those up for this. But like there's the idea of like human sacrifice and all this stuff. And it can be a there's definitely some through lines in there. There wasn't ever Slayer never showed up in court to defend this or whatever like that. But the ROI turns of Christianity and there's a line in the Slayer thing that says once you leave us or then basically you're going to disappear. So he's kind of working off of that kind of sentiment thinking they're gonna they're gonna target me he already had reason to believe that they were already looking for a second victim anyways. So he confesses to his Pastor. Pastor says, well, we got to, we got to do what's right. So Royce comes forward, tells the authorities, the three of them all get arrested. They enter a plea bargain, which gives them 25 To law If and oddly enough, the Royce ended up coming up for parole, and 2021 which was which was he got? He got paroled. But then the governor said, Nope, no, yeah. You're not getting out. So they overturned that. Then Supreme Court said, No, he is getting out. So I believe, as of 2022, he is actually out on parole, because they were like, well, he helped, you know, he showed good, you know, he shows good behavior. And he was the one who turned them all in and whatever he you know, he's the only one with any kind of a guilty conscience. But anyways, the Satanic Panic rolled on in the music industry throughout that. And there's a lot of stories that are associated to metal and murder and satanic cult stuff. And I can't obviously cover them all here, just kind of giving you a couple of couple of tasty, tasty bits. But yeah, and I guess with that, we can move on to a McCobb minute. Because we're good at transitions, smooth transitions,

Marissa: 36:18

transitions are fun. This Macabrepedia is not as traditional as most, but that's okay. They're short. I have to I'll give two since they're so short. Okay. All right. So, you know, the French Revolution? I do. Yeah. I mean, we've talked about a little bit here and there. Not in detail, though. But, you know, just the Count of Monte Cristo, you did watch. And then we watched the movie. Mighty that 2000?

Matthew: 36:45

Yeah. 2002. Yeah, we've watched the movie anyway. So that's not about the revolution.

Marissa: 36:51

No, no. But anyway, we got the French Revolution. Obviously, people lost their heads. The guillotine was the star of the French Revolution, basically. But one thing you may not know is that people fought or like begging and pleading to be the first ones executed on a day. Oh, yeah. Because as time went on, the doll, the the blade dulls, and then it takes, it's not a clean cut at that point. And it might just be way worse death. If you've got an adult blade coming down on your neck. You don't want that. So that's that's one McCobb fact.

Matthew: 37:29

Yeah, it also gets, you know, it gets sticky, as if it's overused. Yeah. So and also, depending on weather, it might not drop as quickly. Yeah, it might just, there's really hard. Yeah, there's people who have been able to turn and look back up at the at the guillotine just before it falls again.

Marissa: 37:46

So yeah, so you want it to be one of the first ones.

Matthew: 37:49

If you're gonna be executed by guillotine, make sure you're the first one,

Marissa: 37:52

make sure the blade is sharp. The other one is completely unrelated. But that's okay. So if you think about it, if you watched a lot of like sitcoms in the 90s, and 2000s, and all that, and you hear the laugh track in the background, that was recorded sometime in the 1950s Most likely, which means you're listening to dead people laughing. Yeah, that was interesting. Yeah, that is,

Matthew: 38:17

I always say that that's funny when I do watch shows that have like that are from like, the 30s or something like that. And the older stuff and, and I'm like every person that is that is that I'm seeing right now. All dead, everyone. Oh, yeah. No, but not just like you think about it, like, Oh, they're dead. You're like, no, these people are like, Yeah, this is like, it's cool. I mean, that kind of thinking of that. I mean, it's very McCobb obviously, but it's also kind of a moment of reverence in a way like remembrance, you know, it's kind of the same thing as like visiting somebody's grave. So in a way, like if you're watching an actor, and the

Marissa: 38:50

preserved their immortal on that.

Matthew: 38:53

And to understand and respect that is pretty, pretty cool, I think personally. But anyways, that will do it for this episode of Macabrepedia. And this is our 50th episode.

Marissa: 39:07

It is

Matthew: 39:08

Oh, 50. We did well, in the middle of a series where they treat you with respect, we should have 50

Marissa: 39:16

Man, we'll get it later.

Matthew: 39:19

We're thinking about doing like an HH Holmes or Jack the Ripper. One of the big ones. One of the big ones. Yeah. I mean, Satanic Panic is pretty big, big one. That's

Marissa: 39:29

not our traditional more modern than most.

Matthew: 39:31

Yeah. Which, by the way, way easier to research. Yeah, when the most true crime podcast, I can watch the trial take place and I can just take notes. Yeah, watch it and then just flip to another one and watch another one. Like, it's like, I can actually watch the trial as opposed to like, having to buy a pamphlet from 1840. Like, you know, a bunch of weird edits and poorly photocopied kind of we did

Marissa: 39:55

not choose an easy topic now.

Matthew: 39:57

But anyways, thank you. As always for listening, you can reach out to us on Twitter and Facebook at Macabrepedia.

Marissa: 40:06

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Matthew: 40:22

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